New Fire triggering/killing, potential means and equipment design
In any statistical process, if a restraint can be broken, given enough time, energy and a particular set of circumstances, there will be outliers that will meet the conditions for an event to occur. Like a thief trying to steal gold from a bank - sometimes the laundry bag is in the right place, other times a tree falls onto the perimeter wall - or - he gets handed the tools to tunnel through to the booty.
LENR experiments are about encouraging specially prepared transition metal structures to let Hydrogen or Deuterium come inside, this is called condensed matter. But people in a house does not a party make. There needs to be some energy to get it going and occasionally when the house is pumping and the guests are dancing, participants get together. Sometimes there needs to be a catalyst for things to really happen, like the right banging tune or the right cocktail to be drunk.
Even then things can move pretty slowly, sometimes it is not until the stripper, gatecrasher or some other unexpected entrant comes into play that it all kicks off... hopefully the police don't come and put a downer on things.
The annals of LENR are peppered with tales of loaded active material being jump started into life by the application of some transient influence. Essentially, one needs to knock whatever stability remains in the excited condensed matter in such a way that their is a far greater chance of something desirable happening.
In this mini project, we want anyone and everyone to scour the literature for and their own ingenuity and insight for ideas and equipment design that might allow activation and acceleration of the LENR process.
The working document
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We look forward to co-authoring this with you.
I have added you to the working document. Great to have you on board.
If you have a new concept for triggering please add it as a short overview in the main document.
If you have a specific apparatus or more detailed protocol, add it into the appropriate appendix and reference it (you may have to create an appendix, please use existing ones as guideline)
signed up on Vortex as
It says the name is already in use because I donated but I'm trying to transfer this LENR activity to kevmolenrgmail.com
other activity on Vortex is under hellokevinsbcglobal.net and it's blocking that also.
I see Bob Greenyer has already commented at E-Cat World on Piantelli's use of Argon to stop the reaction, so MFMP principals are well aware of the patent. For the rest of us it's a good summary of the "state of the art" in the Italian camp.
The ionization of hydrogen occurs only during the discharge if you want to mimic thyratron behaviour. In this case the required power depends only from energy stored in capacitor and from the number of discharges per second.
With 1kV charged 1uF capacitor at 0.2Hz the average required power should be 0.1W and peak discharge power can easily reach tens of kilowatt levels.
How many watts do you think we could get into the cell by keeping the gases ionized?
I think that with some minor modification the cell may act as an
"hydrogen filled" Thyratron that discharge an high voltage (kilovolts) low inductance capacitor bank (< 1uF total). You shoud add a "grid" near active wire for the discharge triggering, and an anode. The active wire in this case acts as a "warm" cathode. The anode should be wound in the opposite sense of cathode
to minimize the inductance of discharge path.
I mean, given the current hardware setup would it be possible. i.e. could we disconnect the power wires once the cell was up to temperature and then connect enough high voltage to get the cell to ionize the gases. If it's possible, what do you think of the merits of such an experiment?
"Would it be possible to ionize the gases inside the cell as a trigger?"
Yes: hydrogen is used in Thyratrons and Krytrons:
"The gas used in krytrons is hydrogen:"
Some good ideas from both of you, please consider requesting to be added to the main working document.
I suggest that design proposals are added in this way, under a particular class of potential trigger/kill method, designs should be referenced as an appendix.
I have moved Dieter Seeliger gas tank proposal into Appendix G01, this means many ideas and plans can be incorporated and developed whilst keeping the core document short and accessible.
Yes, very interesting:
"Selective Reversible Hydrogen Leakage Controller (SRHLC) is used as an source of extra-pure hydrogen for storage, transportation of hydrogen and for sustaing its stable pressure in various devices including those having aggressive gaseous environment (eg in thyratrons, copper vapour and metal halogenides lasers). "
Another one is TRIGGERED spark gaps:
and DSRD trigger:
Suitable trigger pulses could be generated by a common automotive CD ignition module. Slew rate is typically limited by coil inductance but the spark gap gives a very fast current rise time (
And also here:
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That is a good point! Maybe wear gas mask and will have to keep some Amyl Nitrate handy...
Hydrogen Sulphide is good as it has the good bit we already have in the cell (hydrogen) and the claimed killer.
More thinking is good though - keep up the good work.
In an ideal world yes - but if we have run an apparently successful experiment well beyond chemical - this is just icing on the cake.
I would think the preferred way of stopping the reaction is one that would allow us to start it again easily, possibly some electronic method (dampening field). It sounds very difficult of an idea but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if anyone has ideas.
Short of that would it be possible just to remove the fuel rather than poison the cell? (ie shut off the current and evacuate the cell? )
On the triggering, I'm liking the EMP approach that's been brought up. It's a passive approach (which is good) but it takes a large amount of power (which is bad) but the power only lasts for a short time.