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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2144</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Kevin I have added you to the working document. Great to have you on board. If you have a new concept for triggering please add it as a short overview in the main document. If you have a specific apparatus or more detailed protocol, add it into the appropriate appendix and reference it (you may have to create an appendix, please use existing ones as guideline) Happy collaborations!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>rememberkevinomalley says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2141</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I tried to set up a gmail account to collaborate as the instructions state but the system blocked me. new email kevmolenr@gmail.com signed up on Vortex as hellokevin Hellokevin@sbcglobal.net It says the name is already in use because I donated but I'm trying to transfer this LENR activity to kevmolenr@gmail.com other activity on Vortex is under hellokevin@sbcglobal.net and it's blocking that also.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>rememberkevinomalley</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 03:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>AlanG says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Piantelli was recently granted an EU patent on his LENR process. The patent document is comprehensive and detailed, worth reading in its entirety: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/EP2368252B1%5B1%5D.pdf I see Bob Greenyer has already commented at E-Cat World on Piantelli's use of Argon to stop the reaction, so MFMP principals are well aware of the patent. For the rest of us it's a good summary of the "state of the art" in the Italian camp.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AlanG</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[The ionization of hydrogen discussion is particularly interesting. When we created the 1.1 version of the cell, we ran the leads for the blue channel and the red channel through separate pass-throughs specifically so we could run them at different potentials and create a plasma between them. We haven't had time to work on that, yet, as we've been fully occupied doing the basic replication. I do have a lot of curiosity about using electric potential to drive hydrogen into the wire, or provide extra electrons or a lack of electrons to the system.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Ron B#35 The ionization of hydrogen occurs only during the discharge if you want to mimic thyratron behaviour. In this case the required power depends only from energy stored in capacitor and from the number of discharges per second. With 1kV charged 1uF capacitor at 0.2Hz the average required power should be 0.1W and peak discharge power can easily reach tens of kilowatt levels.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[#34 Giorgio How many watts do you think we could get into the cell by keeping the gases ionized?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Ron B#33 I think that with some minor modification the cell may act as an "hydrogen filled" Thyratron that discharge an high voltage (kilovolts) low inductance capacitor bank (< 1uF total). You shoud add a "grid" near active wire for the discharge triggering, and an anode. The active wire in this case acts as a "warm" cathode. The anode should be wound in the opposite sense of cathode to minimize the inductance of discharge path.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[#32 Giorgio 2013-01-26 00:03 I mean, given the current hardware setup would it be possible. i.e. could we disconnect the power wires once the cell was up to temperature and then connect enough high voltage to get the cell to ionize the gases. If it's possible, what do you think of the merits of such an experiment?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Ron B "Would it be possible to ionize the gases inside the cell as a trigger?" Yes: hydrogen is used in Thyratrons and Krytrons: en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Krytron en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Thyratro n "The gas used in krytrons is hydrogen:"]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Would it be possible to ionize the gases inside the cell as a trigger?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Ecco and Giorgio Some good ideas from both of you, please consider requesting to be added to the main working document. I suggest that design proposals are added in this way, under a particular class of potential trigger/kill method, designs should be referenced as an appendix. I have moved Dieter Seeliger gas tank proposal into Appendix G01, this means many ideas and plans can be incorporated and developed whilst keeping the core document short and accessible.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Ron B: Yes, very interesting: "Selective Reversible Hydrogen Leakage Controller (SRHLC) is used as an source of extra-pure hydrogen for storage, transportation of hydrogen and for sustaing its stable pressure in various devices including those having aggressive gaseous environment (eg in thyratrons, copper vapour and metal halogenides lasers). "]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Great website Gi, did you see the Selective Reversible Hydrogen Leakage Controller (SRHLC) at that same site?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1923</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Another very interesting solution for high power pulse: Hollow cathode tubes: http://www.pulsetech.ru/images/pdf/tpi1-0.2k12.pdf Another one is TRIGGERED spark gaps: http://www.pulsetech.ru/sparkgaps.htm]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1922</link>
			<description><![CDATA[My proposed avalanche trigger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_1onaVfCsy4TtDxWZwh4RF9G02k1NpwAZAXQw71TMHA/edit and DSRD trigger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13XaqKQBBQXoJJbsBBGR5CP_8R7HpulOWlDAnKh16c94/edit]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>AlanG says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[re. spark plugs - Godes and others suggest that fast ride time and high current density combine to shock the loaded lattice enough to overcome the coulomb barrier for hydrogen fusion. Details differ between theories but not the basic concept. Suitable trigger pulses could be generated by a common automotive CD ignition module. Slew rate is typically limited by coil inductance but the spark gap gives a very fast current rise time (]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AlanG</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1906</link>
			<description><![CDATA[As for additional triggering method,s, there's also Defkalion GT's spark trigger. Not many details on this except DGT-provided papers/presenta tion. They make it look a very complex thing to accomplish, but in practice (to be confirmed) it appears that for their prototypes they used common and readily available components such as automotive spark plugs. A disadvantage is that spark plugs have a reportedly low endurance under such use. See here: http://www.slideshare.net/ssusereeef70/2012-0808-niweek-defkalion-technical-presentation-j-hadjichristos And also here: http://www.slideshare.net/ssusereeef70/2012-0813-iccf17-paperdgtgx]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Well done people. Excellent first full day since we kicked this one off. Already some of the thinking is colouring our future plans. If you haven't signed up yet to get edit rights - when you are in the document in read only mode - you can request access to is with your google ID - that is the fastest way.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Ecco That is a good point! Maybe wear gas mask and will have to keep some Amyl Nitrate handy... Hydrogen Sulphide is good as it has the good bit we already have in the cell (hydrogen) and the claimed killer. More thinking is good though - keep up the good work. @Ron B In an ideal world yes - but if we have run an apparently successful experiment well beyond chemical - this is just icing on the cake.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[#20 Ecco 2013-01-23 04 I would think the preferred way of stopping the reaction is one that would allow us to start it again easily, possibly some electronic method (dampening field). It sounds very difficult of an idea but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if anyone has ideas. Short of that would it be possible just to remove the fuel rather than poison the cell? (ie shut off the current and evacuate the cell? ) On the triggering, I'm liking the EMP approach that's been brought up. It's a passive approach (which is good) but it takes a large amount of power (which is bad) but the power only lasts for a short time.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1886</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@MFMP: again on reaction killer candidates. Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S) is very toxic to humans, perhaps sulfur dioxide (SO2) would be a gas easier and safer to work with? (although it's still quite toxic) I think you need to consult an expert chemist before handling potentially dangerous gases. Inert gases should be preferred, provided there's proper ventilation in the experiment room (and of course, that they achieve the intended quenching effect).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1883</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ron B#9 The ebay pulse genarator has a max output of 5 volts, this means that the impulse power (on 50 ohm load) is at least 400 time less that of a very cheap avalanche pulser. It is however a very good choice for triggering the base of the avalanche transitors.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA["How is the pulse energy going to be coupled into the chamber? A nanosecond wide pulse doesn't like any inductance or stray capacitance. " A bifilar line acts as a trasmission line with (theoretically) a charateristic pure resistive impedance (as a coaxial line): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-lead the drawback of this solution is that the active wire should be rewinded using bifilar winding. Another (less good) solution if you do not want touch current setup is the pure inductive coupling: Four 2mm copper loops connected around the glass tube connected with four capacitors and four avalanche transistors triggered with same signal.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[John King, You're asking all the right questions. Thanks. Also defining an objective is key. How is the pulse energy going to be coupled into the chamber? A nanosecond wide pulse doesn't like any inductance or stray capacitance. With lots of power : ) - Knowing the characteristics impedance of the wire in the cell seems like it would be important and useful to get the load and drive balanced and allow maximum power output ( not unlike tuning a transmission antenna) We know the length of wire so we can determine its quarter-wave length and work from there?????]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@All, I could create the circle on google+ if anyone else hasn't already. Google Plus is a very cool program and at the 12/12/12 hangout we had live video/audio and I even got Mathieu to move the camera so I could checkout the cell in action. I also found out that Mathieu and I were neighbors at one time. Google+ is pretty new so I have some learning to do before I can use it properly. Any clues on how to find people on there would be helpful.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>john king says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[How is the pulse energy going to be coupled into the chamber? A nanosecond wide pulse doesn't like any inductance or stray capacitance. Are you goning to apply this to the windings of the active wire as an additional heater? If so, then the existing instrumentaion needs robust high frequency EMF filiters in line to suppress the transients and protect the input electronics. Is it going to be put into an unsued wire? Is it going to be used to create an inductive plasma? Do we want the nanosecond thermal effects (100kW instantaneous) in the bulk lattice with only a sub fractional watt of "average "input power. I'm missing a lot of the engineering and theoretical details. I'd love to hear more about them. We really need to get the file atachment mode working. jdk]]></description>
			<dc:creator>john king</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ecco..Safety is important and perhaps you have a good idea to with regard to that. Hopefully we'll have the chance to test it with a real LENR runaway. : )]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[0 #8 Giorgio 2013-01-22 14:18 Are you thinking of something for these cells or for a follow on cell design? For these cells what do you think of just using a function generator from Tektronix PG501 (about 100 bucks) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-PG-501-Pulse-Generator-/370666345877?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item564d6f9595 You would still need to design a drive circuit to handle the Celani wire (resistive and inductive load)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Ecco#5 Avalanche transistor triggering: Feasibility : Very simple: Less than ten very cheap electronic components Affordability : less than ten dollars if you have already a 500V CC (few watts) stabilized and regulable power supply and a low frequency signal generator Measurability: It's quite easy compute an upper limit of the average output power (less than 0.1W!)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Pure Nitrogen might also be a good candidate for a reaction killer. Read this from New Energy Times about Piantelli's Ni-H reactor: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3624rf-piantelli.shtml --- [...] It was sometime around September 1993, [...] Around 7 in the evening, [Piantelli] looked at the monitor for the experiment. [...] The temperature was increasing rapidly. He wasn’t sure what to do. Should he kill the experiment, and if so, how would he stop it? A rapidly increasing temperature in an enclosed steel container could be a big, big problem. He was afraid. He wondered whether he should leave the building. Instead he called Focardi in Milano—at 2 in the morning—and asked, “What should I do?” This was before Piantelli knew about the poisoning effect of deuterium. But Focardi came up with a workable idea: introduce nitrogen. And it worked. It stopped the uncontrolled temperature rise and killed the experiment.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[It's possile to use the formula: 0.5*C*V*V*N (where C is the Capacity in Farad, V the voltage of the full charged capacitor and N the number of pulses in a second) for computing an UPPER limit of the output power from the avalanche pulser.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1869</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There are things to consider for each triggering method candidate: * Feasibility - can it be done without exotic technology, needing specialized know how, and/or overly complicating the testing set up? * Affordability - how much money would it take to set up, operate, and replace if it breaks down? * Measurability - will it make input power measurements harder to perform? For example, AC power measurements are rather tricky and a possible source of errors and criticisms.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@All Great to see you here. Please consider joining the active document. With a Google account you can also join group hangouts and sketch designs for apparatus and discuss protocols very effectively. We do it internally all the time]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Oh I think you're talking about using a different setup with different active wire configuration. Yes, that sounds possible then. I thought you were talking about the current cells.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[#1 Giorgio, It seems that you would have to consider that giant inductor in the circuit (the active wire). Since it's very long and even coiled that will tend to smooth the pulses out quite a bit.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Giorgio says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1862</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I suggest the use of very narrow (few nanoseconds) high power (hundreds of watts) pulses. No more than few kilopulses per second. For this purpose you can use very cheap avalanche transistors (2N4401, 2N5551, 2N5192, ZTX415) and 1nF 1kV capacitor charged by > 200K resistor. It's important to keep low the inductance of discharge path. www.diodes.com/_files/products_appnote_pdfs/zetex/an8.pdf Another interesting idea is the use of Grekhov diodes. This patent application describes well a simple pulse generator that uses Drift Step Recovery Diodes (or Grekhov diodes): www.google.com/patents/US20100038971 It's important that the active wire presents a very low parassitic inductance: bifilar winding should be a fair solution.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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