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Here is the live document for replication of potential EVO powered energy generator

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+2 #86 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-19 12:32

1. The boards are stacked on top of each other. Difficult to be sure what was involved, though CAN has done some good work on lead tracing. It could be misdirection of course.

2. One of the boards has a standard Relay covered in black, as does a voltage display on another board. This of course could be also misdirection, however, many engineers and companies cover key components during transport or demonstrations. In this video youtu.be/le4zdLSpgKA?t=193 I show this and it has the capability to switch 30A 250V AC. They can be switched by 5V to 48V depending on model. www.hadex.cz/spec/l597d.pdf. In the Live document, Dave found he could ignite the bulb @135V and minimum was 0.5A at 33V. Need to get schematic and more specifics on that.

3. It could be that the bulb is operated in pulsed mode. The relay has an on/odd minimum of 20ms. If one pulsed the bulb with a 1/16th duty cycle, one would still have an average power consumption of 1W. You would be making and breaking, but given that the EVO emits a lot of light on the way up and has a ‘cool down’ period where it emits light - there could be a smoothing of light output that might not be perceived by the eye or by camera in the same way that people often can’t see the flicker on LED or Fluoro lights. We know from Shoulders designs that it is expected for the EVO to start white and then proceed through grey to black - this is what you want - moreover, it is similar to Hutchison’s pulsed high pressure Projector HID and for the device to run cool you would need to have grey/black EVOs hitting the Anode alongside the stimulated emission of electrons from the 2keV photons from the condensing electrons in the cluster. Only with conversion of Whiter to Black will you get the cooling / cold electricity to drive the Resistor. 

4. I think there are 5 units, one on each side of the box and one the box below. 5 x 0.2W = 1W. The step up convertor can take the 5V to required >33V youtu.be/le4zdLSpgKA?t=276 which is then charged into a cap to be dumped at the minimum current of 0.5A in the HID. The input power of 1W from the 12V supply is just for initiation and maintanance. 

I never suggested that the Solar Panels are driving the resistor, they are just driving the control of the HID pulses, with the whole drive energy and pulse after initiation being isolated. Note the formation of the EVO and the electron condensation producing XUV to 2 keV will yield electrons and ions, some of which will be captured into the EVO, these will then condense producing more XUV to 2 keV which will yield more electrons, rinse repeat - it is a self-sustaining /feeding Townsend avalanche. As this cluster forms it will remain negative at least in part and so will move to the Anode. When it gets there, it will contain far more electrons than were supplied to it in its initiation. Some of the cluster will collapse producing nuclear reactions of the Xe, W and possibly Hg (depending on bulb type) which will add intense thermal energy that will re-constitute the electrons in the part of the cluster that dishevels there. The remainder of the cluster will travel in the wire and as it goes through the wire it will capture thermal energy from the environment to re-constitute the electrons and the 10^5 less ions with the de-cohering electrons becoming normal electrons. Any remaining clusters dishevel in the magnetic field of the reactive resister - which is a coil - becoming normal electrons with normal resistive action possibly leading to the normal thermal heating there claimed to be 100W.

EDIT: NOTE: Dave said "lamp would only ignite if [he] had minimum of 135VDC"

The video is very interesting, again he sees the Yellow observed by Dave.
+4 #85 Jeffrey Russell 2022-01-19 05:49
The following is an overview of my project design. I will be posting photos, schematics, and test data in the live document as they become available. The apparatus consists of a stainless steel cylinder 16” high and about 21” diameter. An array of 34 photovoltaic cells is arranged around the drum interior. Suspended in the drum center are 2 Xenon 35W bulbs which will be energized by a HV pulser circuit powered by 12 VDC. The output of the PV array is fed to a Renogy charge controller. The charge controller has 2 outputs: (1) a bank of two 12 V sealed deep cycle batteries which can power regular loads via an inverter, and (2) the 12 VDC supply to the HV pulser circuit. The design goal is to run the two Xenon bulbs in the PAGD (pulsed abnormal glow discharge) region and achieve a COP of 10. Further modifications include using 4 Xenon bulbs and including a Bedini pulse charger for the battery bank as described in US Patent 6,677,730.
0 #84 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-18 23:16

Post a brief in the comments and the full description in the live document please
+2 #83 EVOngalsit 2022-01-17 18:49

I have a couple of questions and I hope I didn’t miss any statement or document answering them already. :cry:

In the videos and images about Rossi’s presentation we can clearly see that the HID ballast is not involved in the actual test setup. The ballast is connected to the voltage regulator, but the regulator is not attached anywhere. So assuming that he used some type of Xenon lamp, how did he get this thing to start. Is the assumption that any of the unidentified boards are creating a high voltage?

In the video, when Rossi reconnects the SKLep, we can clearly hear some relay clicking. Is it possible that Rossi uses the large black relay to decouple the high voltage ignition (wherever it comes from) and then switches to the pulsed/linear/w hatever DC or AC low voltage. Can such a relay handle the voltage required to start the HID? Or did he probably use a D1 bulb which may need to lower ignition voltage?

Is it realistic that an automotive HID like a D1 can be run in a way that only 1W is drawn? According to the tests of David Boutilier, the minimum for his bulb was around 16W. Is it realistic that this goes down to 1W once EVOs appear? Or is Rossi maybe using different typed of bulbs like the U shaped one m3sca1 was using?

@Bob, somewhere you shared a link to a PV module which would fit the housing of the SKLep in Rossi’s demo. Assuming that Rossi places 4 of such modules on each side of the box, is it realistic to get an output of 100W? If not, do you think that Rossi just claimed too much power and in fact it’s a lot less, like maybe 25W or do you think he might actually not use PV cells and possibly capture the power directly from the Xenon tube in some way?

Btw, I found this video from someone who is experimenting with starting a Xenon bulb without a ballast. May help someone. It’s in German and Youtube doesn’t recognize all words correctly. If someone needs a better translation of some part, just let me know.

Ok, sorry for being a pain :-* , but I hope that answers to these questions may help others as well.
+3 #82 Jeff Russell 2022-01-15 18:06

This is a link to a work by Frolov. I was surprised to find that chapter 17 deals directly with the apparatus I am building. Bob, I have some data and photos on my design. Should I post that in comments or append to live document?
+1 #81 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-09 12:48
My comment on Matt Lowe's test here:


In the case of the flash tube not passing UV - I suggested in response to your old video with a 'UV' diode, that lights/lasers called 'UV' are often double pumped with deep IR being the fundamental frequency and that the IR passes into the tube. The laser you have looks like a violet laser and I had a lower powered less than 70mw violet laser which I tested with a spectrometer last year.

remoteview.substack.com/.../.. .
Click on the spectra images for full-screen shots.

You will see that the 'blue' 405nm violet laser is actually a 810nm IR pumped device. Also you can see on the same blog that a 'UV' fluorescent tube for examining bank notes, has a similar approach to achieve the shorter wavelengths.

Lam, Lo (1983) suggested the use of lasers to cohere nuclei.
Lam, C. S., & Lo, S. Y. (1984). Mechanism for Charge Bunching of Bosons in High-Energy Collisions

Koloc (1973) suggested any form of pre-excitation of an ionisable gas prior to discharge in his PLASMAK (artificial ball lightning) patent.
Patent-Free Way to Make and Control Large Scale EVOs

Meyer used lasers (which would have cohered matter) in his HHO car patent.

Recently at ICCF-23, Jean-Paul Biberian reported transmutation in a replication of Ubaldo Mastromatteo's experiment where D loaded Pd coating on a substrate was exposed to a 5mw 650nm (red) laser.


Interestingly, Vladislav Zhigalov, PhD (Engineering), NRU MIET. Appeared to find that applying a laser in air though magnetised water (Replication of Perovschikov) onto a film cassette with unexposed film in would produce 'birdies' - it is conceivable that you are producing coherent neutral String Vortex Soliton clusters in the moist AIR, that are then pushed in the direction of the laser beam passing into the chamber where they dishevel and interact with the plasma.

0 #80 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-08 17:47

Thomas Kaminski had an interesting proposal.

"Actually there are a number of papers on how to do this. I like this one called "Double Blumlein HV Pulse Power Supply"


You could probably replace the spark gap with a fast switch (saturated FET or BJT) for lower voltage. Alternately, use a xenon flash tube.
0 #79 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-07 07:44
Dave Boutilier reminded me that UV will only penetrate quartz glass, so either one of two things is occurring.

1. It has quartz glass
2. It is enough to use lower frequency photons

Now sometimes, UV lights are double pumped IR light so perhaps IR LEDs would do the trick. It might even make more sense since the bulb is getting cold in this test.
0 #78 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-07 00:08

This is doing what Paul Koloc suggested in his 1973 PLASMAK patent, you use a means to pre-excite the gas before discharge.

UV, radioactive source, RF etc. are options.

Your demonstration is probably very efficient and may have a lot of legs for getting things working in the Xenon HIDs or low pressure Xenon tubes.
+1 #77 Matt Lowe 2022-01-06 23:44
very interesting it runs cold...
it may also be possible to hold the ball in place with a LASER. Many years ago I used an UV LED focused to a dot and shone it into a neon pigtail. The coherred UV light would move the plasma in the neon. This was done with a single LED and not a burning LASER which we can now buy cheaply for gcode driven cutting a etching machines.
pls excuse the potato vision
0 #76 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-06 22:40
I suggest that Jeremiah The Engineer adds a miniature Helmholtz coil set around the tube with the aim of holding the fireball in place. Probably in anti-mode (quadrupole mode as Ken Shoulders used) or even a triple axis nested configuration.
0 #75 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-06 22:27
Ball Lightning in a Neon Tube - Cool to touch?

“I was doing experiments with an ordinary neon indicator lamp, attempting to create and study bright violet Ball Lightning using BEMF ground current.  In the past, I’ve seen the purple flashes in neon and it usually results in the Lamp electrodes glowing within a few seconds. But I got the impulse speed down to an extremely short time. And something strange happened…

What was discovered? ONLY when the magnetic field collapse has extremely short duration with a “challengingly rapid” rise time; the bulb STOPPED getting hot. In fact it remained cool for the several minutes of the experiment!  This was reflected by the creation of a large single Ball Lightning instead of just the purple flickers that normally are a precursor.”

- Jeremiah The Engineer, 4th Jan 2022

0 #74 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-05 17:36
@Matt Lowe,

This is brilliant. Of course, as an EVO forms, it releases PHOTONS at up to 2 keV. However, even the 2 keV x-rays are not high enough energy to get through the high pressure gas and SiO2 tube. You can verify this by going here:


or here:

However, Dr. Alexander Shishkin established that when a Black EVO (he called them String Vortex Solitons) blows up, it will emit electrons in the 6-10keV range.


Of course, as SVS are neutral, they can travel through the high pressure Xenon, glass and the air etc. These may then still produce birdies on the polaroids in this sensitive time and so we may see birdies or shadows of them. Additionally I would recommend putting a magnet behind the polaroid and the HID/source, a large but not necessarily strong, like a fridge magnet, the assembly does not need to be near, in Urutskoev's work, it was 70cm away.

Alternatively, we can turn this on its head perhaps. Take a fresh cartridge of Polaroid. Put a large block magnet on one half with N and large block magnet on on half with S. Possibly with metal mask.

We then expose the whole polaroid cartridge to a reactor for a long time. This will allow for a lot of accumulation - Parkhomov, Matsumoto and Bogdanovich used this approach.

The bonus here is we have stacked films, like Matsumoto used, so we can look for correlation between plates.

We then do the lens-cap covered exposure and as they come out, number them so we have the order of the stack. In Matsumoto's case, he was using radiographic film and the EVOs would pass through some layers and then bounce between layers. The different N and S parts of the film could have opposite pole SVS on them as Bogdanovich et. al. captured on film.

This could be a very important and repeatable way of confirming in very easy and repeatable way the 'birdies' caused by exploding electron clusters and a proof by proxy of the successful making and breaking of EVOs
+2 #73 Matt Lowe 2022-01-05 04:47
thanks for your comment. I have played with this scope for quite a while and have not seen a waveform like that out of it before... I will do some more tests and see if I can catch a spike on the smallest timebase.
I came across an interesting method of detecting x-rays. Perhaps this has been mentioned before but it us new to me. Might be handy for imagining strange radiation.
Take a photo of nothing (lens cap on ) with a Polaroid instant photo and for the next ~20 seconds it is sensitive to x-rays but not white light. Link to source
0 #72 Robert Greenyer 2022-01-02 12:29

Thanks for the working links and comments on the signal detection resolving issues.
+1 #71 Stevenson 2021-12-31 06:57
Sorry for the broken links, I report them here again.
This is the HV igniter from Amazon (it is scary! It makes extremely loud and long sparks! But it is not intended for continouous operations):

This is the HVDC power supply, intended for electrostatic filters:

@Matt, @Bob, the signal shown in the video actually is an artifact: it is just the sinc interpolation (reconstruction ) of Dirac delta waveform (e.g. a single point spike). To capture the actual waveform the time scale must be set to the highest resolution during acquisition, otherwise the number of sampled points is too small and the scope try to artificially reconstruct it when you zoon in (sinc interpolation is the exact reconstruction of a band limited signal, based on the Nyquist theorem)
0 #70 Robert Greenyer 2021-12-30 21:12
@Matt Lowe
You video here is interesting as you note

Perhaps even a higher frequency scope would just show the same pattern - just tighter.

Can we imagine it as the 'blowing up of an EVO induced EMP' passing scalar wave?

That is to say, the disruptive propagating 'tear' in the aether?
+1 #69 Robert Greenyer 2021-12-30 21:05
The initial point is to explore how the various make and breaks can be employed in different pressure, tension and other parameter regimes to find those that initiate observable cooling and or UV - Soft X-Rays and build from there.

I will be able to dedicate more time to this project next week.

@Matt Lowe
Some nice circuits, effects and components, though I don't see how spiral tubes are going to work for us as most of the designs by Shoulders were linear.

Thanks for the tips, though the Amazon link did not work for me, can you check it?

The LION reactor inner Cu coil was bifilar. We had considered that it may be important. IVOs idea is interesting.
+1 #68 Brady 2021-12-30 19:55
I have enjoyed following and learning from all your comments and links. I just watched this video from Ivo www.youtube.com/.../
He believes the bifilar coil creates these torid vortices we are so interested in. Keep up the good work!
+1 #67 Stevenson 2021-12-30 08:04
High repetition pulse rate is probably not needed, since the useful operational modes are either pulsed (even one at a time) or in the AG discharge region. In the former case you just need to charge a capacitor with an HV generator (e.g. www.amazon.ca/.../B01GM9B4R0) and then discharge it abruptly. A very effective design is the one used in the TEA nitrogen laser (e.g. physicsopenlab.org/.../... ). In the AG operation mode a HVDC voltage/current is needed, but the voltage need to be regulated in order to find the AG regime (a suitable HV power supply is Hhttps://www.al iexpress.com/it em/400070220764 1.html or similar)

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