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So we are a few weeks away from launching a huge array of experiments using much of the learning that you have been a part of. This process is, and will be, very expensive and we need to make sure that not only do we have the funds in place to put the "roof on the house" but also to deliver live experiments to other respected research facilities around the globe.

We have wanted to launch a Kickstarter for 4 months, but wanted to be confident we could deliver before taking this work to a wider audience. Not only that, but we had to ensure that we had the right non-profit organisation that would be capable of running  a Kickstarter and meeting their tight rules. Even after that, we had to jump through many hoops to prove the legitimacy of the organisation and the project. The final obstacle was to get permission from Celani for some of the pledge rewards we had planned to offer - I am pleased to say, Celani green flagged all our requests and we are again surprised at his willingness to be open to challenge and scientific scrutiny. With these challenges behind us, we are now revving up for our proper social fundraising effort.

This is for every team member our first Kickstarter and we are hoping that you will be inspired by the rewards we have for pledges made. We would like to say a very big thanks to the amazing folks out there that have had enough faith in our work to help support us already, your contributions have kept us motivated to work through the long weeks that this kind of work entails.

Please take a look at the rewards we intend to offer and if you have any ideas for more/better/variations please suggest them in the comments below.

Pledge £5 or more

Love! Pure love from us and everyone who will benefit from clean, green economical energy! You can make a difference and help to make a better world.

Pledge £15 or more

A DVD of "Lighting the New Fire", a documentary charting the MFMP from its beginning through the discovery of a new way of doing science to the conclusion of the Celani replications. 

Pledge £20 or more 

Bumper Sticker proclaiming your dedication to New Power for a New World! Let everyone know that there is a better future for all of us. 

Pledge £40 or more

Our very own mascot; Delta Pyro - Commander of the New Fire epitomises the search to unlock energy that can power the future. He will remind you of the endeavours of all the scientists and followers involved that you helped succeed as he sits on your desk or cabinet. Makes a great present for kids as it is 3D printed in high quality 100% plastic! (Can anyone spot the tongue in cheek fun in this?)

Pledge £50 or more

A BlueRay of "Lighting the New Fire", a documentary charting the MFMP from its beginning through the discovery of a new way of doing science to the conclusion of the Celani replications.

Pledge £50 or more

A T-Shirt proudly proclaiming your belief in New Power for a New World. Let them know that you are one of the many who have not given up hope in the search for a better way to live! Beautiful 100% cotton and great design too!

Pledge £75 or more

(Only 100)
A signed DVD of "Lighting the New Fire", a documentary charting the MFMP from its beginning through the discovery of a new way of doing science to the conclusion of the Celani replications. Yes Francesco Celani will be signing 100 copies of the DVD! Strictly limited and possibly of historic interest in years to come.

Pledge £100 or more

(Only 100)
A signed BlueRay of "Lighting the New Fire", a documentary charting the MFMP from its beginning through the discovery of a new way of doing science to the conclusion of the Celani replications. Yes Francesco Celani will be signing 100 copies of the BlueRay! Strictly limited and again, possibly of historic interest in years to come.

Pledge £150 or more

Your name goes proudly onto the Honours List - emblazoned across the Quantumheat.org website list of honoured contributors who have proudly supported MFMP in the bringing the prospect of a better future for all to the World!

Pledge £299 or more

(Only 180)
Own a piece of history! The actual 360 layer Celani wires used in the first two MFMP New Fire LENR experiments will, after SEM analysis, be cut into 1cm long pieces and cast into clear resin cubes, with a certificate of authenticity. Yours to show your grandchildren. They will be proof that you were one of the believers in a better future for all.

Pledge £499 or more

Come and visit one of the experimental sites! I know it is pretty groundbreaking to see the data from the experiments LIVE as they happen on your mobile, but there is nothing like seeing the thing up close and meeting an MFMP team member up close! To get this reward, you must be aware that you will need to provide some personal information to allow security clearance. You will also need to make your way to one of of the test sites. Get yourself a photo as history is made!

Pledge £599 or more

(Only 30)
Be immortalised - get your name on one of the 3 first international cells to be sent out as part of the replication. Your name will be engraved on a special plate attached to the cells. Only 10 names per cell and the fact will be recorded on the website also.

Pledge £4,000 or more

 

(Only 10)
Dinner with Francesco Celani, one of the leading lights in the field of LENR, and the man who's work has inspired many and led the way for the MFMP LENR experiment replications. Francesco is a true visionary and a lovely man. You may even share a spaghetti with him - who knows! A great opportunity to discuss you dreams for the technology. You will need to be security checked and make your way to Rome, in Italy, to a restaurant of his choosing.

Pledge £5,000 or more

Receive a mounted replica of the New Fire MFMP version of the Celani experimental cell. This will be built to the same exacting precision as the live apparatus and attractively mounted. Supplied with the final experimental protocol, it will be able to be charged with gas and loaded with wire. It will come with the base Constantan wire that may, if you are lucky, produce excess heat! Comes with a certificate of authenticity.

Also, you might like to think about how much we should aim to raise in this Kickstarter given that if we do not reach our target, we don't get a thing. We are pretty sure we can deliver the minimum 3 experiments that would be needed to make the MFMP worth while for around $150,000, so what should we go for?

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0 #21 Artem Mouraviev 2013-03-13 09:25
Hi, guys! I suggest you translate your Kickstarter videos on my resource movitr.com
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0 #20 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-13 08:30
@Dominik Eckelmann

Much of the video is caught in 1080P full HD, so the resolution on the BlueRay will be 7X that of the DVD.

The length of the material is growing as we are still working... only the editing work is getting more difficult as we will not want an epic for everyone to sit through.
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0 #19 Dominik Eckelmann 2013-03-12 20:22
Re the DVD/Blueray: Whatever there is on I will choose them :)

Is there a difference in quality of the video material (DVD/BlueRay)? How long is the video material?
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+3 #18 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-12 18:43
@Charlie Tapp

We are all working very hard on the science and experiments. Ryan is preparing a blog on the US Steel Cell in the AFC. He has a guy that is gearing up the powder cells - there will be a mini project on this. Space has been made in the lab for the 2 V2 cells (see US logbook). Mathieu has mostly retro-fitted one cell and part built the other for the V2 EU experiments and there have been regular updates on the progress of the steel and glass cells in the US and there is an update due as Nicolas has done a lot of successful pressure testing, thermal profiling and time constant calculation on the one fully constructed cell.

We are gearing up for a social funding launch, naturally there needs to be stimulation of debate on marketing. It is no good having a great and just endeavour, if no one hears about it. Delta Pyro is purely funded by me and executed by my own staff. Initially he will be a 3D Printed reward for KS pledges - if no one wants him, none are made. He is initially "helping to discover the new fire" - but only in theory! So far, whilst the other rewards have barely raised an eyebrow i.e. no one has commented on the DVDs/BluRays/T- Shirts/Bumperst ickers, in fact nothing except one satirical comment about the cost of having dinner with Celani, there have been many people offering good marketing ideas and alternatives because DP has stimulated debate.

I am just scratching the surface of what is going on, we are trying to find time to write blogs but, for instance, we are currently trying to write some abstracts for papers we want to present at ICCF18 as the deadline is imminent.

Even though we are just a few volunteers, we are not hanging about, a lot of work is going on. The whole point of everything is to get the new fire lit.

@James,

Hmmm, interesting. That is annoying and good at the same time.

Let us look into it. I love the crowd - thankyou!
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0 #17 charlie tapp 2013-03-12 17:16
it seems that we have stopped looking for the new fire and replaced it with a cartoon, is there some secret evidence of this thing working without a doubt. just wondering because all posts are revolved around this new character. without the proof he will be like that superhero tv show in the 80's that could fly but didnt know how to control himself in flight.
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0 #16 James F. 2013-03-12 16:33
@ Robert

I'm going to correct my last post about Kickstarter. I had read their policy and it said you can not raise money for a charity. It did not say a charity can not raise money. So for verification I sent in a clarification and this is what was returned:

Kickstarter Support, Mar 12 12:22 (EDT):
Hi James,

Thanks for getting in touch. Being a 501(c)(3) wouldn't prevent the organisation from using Kickstarter. Our guidelines involve not raising money for charity, but don't prevent a charity from using Kickstarter to fund a creative project that fits inside our guidelines (kickstarter.com/.../....

Please let me know if you have any other questions and I'll be happy to help!

Best,
Jennifer

Looks like you can become a 501(c)(3) sooner than you thought.
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0 #15 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-12 16:02
@James F.

That is something to consider.
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0 #14 James F. 2013-03-12 10:49
@ Robert

I was not aware kickstarter excluded charities. If kickstarter fails to bring in the funds needed, maybe the idea of a 501(c)(3) needs to be revisited.

Setting up a 501(c)(3) is not as onerous as you would think. I know because my wife and I set one up to help school children from a 400 population island in the Caribbean go to high school on the neighboring islands. No lawyers, no help and we even got a 509(a)(1) status (public foundation) even though my wife and I are the major donors.
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0 #13 Andreas Van Rooijen 2013-03-12 07:53
@ Robert, That is great news.
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0 #12 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-12 00:02
@Ron B

Poindexter is a great scientist character, easy to parody that, but if too close we would surely have copyright issues. Maybe we could have the scientist that creates DP - but what would he look like, so many scientists have worked on this from so many countries.

DP is basically a tin man product of the of the research, his purpose it to spread the word about the safe new way to get power.
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+1 #11 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-11 23:52
@James F.

No type of charity can run a Kickstarter campaign and the requirements for setting them up is also very onerous.

@Andreas Van Rooijen + Others

Ryan is preparing an imminent blog post on the US steel cell and AFC.
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+6 #10 James F. 2013-03-09 12:10
Why hasn't the MFMP become a 501(c)(3) scientific research organization? See:

www.irs.gov/.../eotopico86.pdf

for more information on qualifying. Also, why are the donations pigeon holed into set amounts both here and non-kickstart page? There should always be an "Other" option where someone can enter their own number. With kickstart, they get the next lowest gift.

Don't go overboard with kickstart and give away all of your proceeds. A 501(c)(3) gives back cash at tax time for USA donors and cash is king. It makes the donation more effective. For example, you get a $1000 donation from a 35% taxpayer and his cost is $650. Your kickstart gift will reduce the taxable deduction.

And please don't force cookies to post a comment.
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+8 #9 Andreas Van Rooijen 2013-03-09 08:44
I was wondering what the status of the air flow calorimetry device is. Has it been finished? Has it been calibrated? I would love to see a report (at some point) about how that has been done and how accurate it is.
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+1 #8 Ron B 2013-03-09 02:23
Bob,
What do you think Martin would want in a mascot?

As a small boy, I always liked the cartoon character Poindexter He was depicted as stereotypical scientist; very intelligent, wearing thick coke-bottle glasses, his lab coat, and carrying a mortarboard. He is also one of Felix's best friends.
Felix, you know, the magical cat.
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+1 #7 GreenWin 2013-03-08 16:55
Bob, please see my comment on E-cat Wrold re lower goals that can oversubscribe. I am happy to talk to you about ways to incorporate the Delta Pyro character, potentially as a comic strip. I have worked in animation and character design, and at times wear a writer's cap. I am happy to help in any way as I believe in what you are doing!
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+1 #6 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-08 16:12
@Andreas Van Rooijen

Not a bad idea, the thing is, it is a HUGE undertaking to run a Kickstarter even when you are just doing something as simple as a 3D Printed lampshade or a standard film it, cut it, press it documentary.

We need resources to do this, people with skills to keep the momentum up during a campaign as it can be exhausting especially given no guarantees.

We will discuss your suggestion in the next group meeting.
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+1 #5 Andreas Van Rooijen 2013-03-08 15:09
@Robert,

As Kickstarter only pays out when we reach the funding goal, it is perhaps an idea to split the two phases. Phase one being the replication by our project itself and phase two will consist of the replications by others. It might be wise to distinguish between those two phases. In case the first phase is successful, this might induce people to give more money for phase 2. That way we can keep the goal for the amount we want to raise as modest as possible and that might raise the possibility of success of actually raising the amount.
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+1 #4 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-08 13:17
@Andreas Van Rooijen

We were advised by scientists that we would need a minimum of three independent replications at respected locations around the globe for the results to have credibility. We would like 5 - 10 distributed experiments if we get the right support. Given that 9% of Pledges goes in fees to Amazon and KS and there will be costs and fees associated with fulfilling pledge rewards, $150,000 headline figure may result in significantly less actual returned to achieve our goal.

We are all putting in lots of our own time and hard cash up front to get get the right experiment. We currently have 2 cells running. Will have 4 V2 protocol cells, 2 Steel and glass cells, one Steel cell in and Air Flow Calorimeter and another novel cell in addition to up to 6 powder cells.

Celani is very confident in the V2 protocol, both the PXs and the experiment being incontrovertibl e. We are not taking his word for it, indeed we are extending the experiment to have not one but two differential experiments running. This will enable comparative study against controls.

We need to tie up legal issues and then provide the full setups to each location and live stream/record the installations and maybe subsidise connectivity depending on location. And build a significantly improved online experience for everyone to track it. This will need cash.

We ideally would need upwards of $450,000 to be comfortable, but Kickstarter does not pay anything out if you pitch a goal at $450,000 and get $400,000. So we are thinking to aim at a conservative replication aim and have a number of what are called "stretch goals" where we extend our target to fulfill other goals.
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+1 #3 Robert Greenyer 2013-03-08 12:57
@Rand

That is really valuable evidence. We were basing our pricing on 4 colour printed card wallets and replicated DVDs/BlueRays from this supplier and their sister company.

www.replicationcentre.co.uk/.. ./

We would really appreciate your advice on this if you have had good experience with KS rewards and pricing. This is the purpose of this exercise. I ran a small toy website a few years ago and sending out small items was a nightmare, with little margin as you say, but in theory this can be posted, especially if we design the case as a post envelope. Obviously we don't want to have no money left after fulfilling all the rewards.

In the next day or two, we will add a contact form to the site. Please do contact us. We are just weeks away from starting this mega-experiment al effort and want to have the Kickstarter Launched before then.
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Here is your generous contributions so far towards our $500,000 target, thanks everyone! : $45,020   Please Donate
See the current state of our booked costs here