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SRI International in Menlo Park, California to host colloquium on LENR [UPDATE#2 - Sveinn Ólafsson presentation slides]

Written by Robert Greenyer on .

Sveinn Ólafsson of the Science Institute, Physics Department, University of Iceland and Alan Goldwater representing the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project will hold a joint event courtesy of Fran Tanzella at SRI International.

If you wish to attend, please see linked pdf for details.

http://goo.gl/XzRjJK


UPDATE#1 - Review, attendance and slides

Jones Beene reports on the colloquium at SRI

https://goo.gl/6zjqNz

Alan Goldwater said

"It went well today. The guest list included:

Michael McKubre
Fran Tanzella
Mark Davidson
Robert Godes & staff
Jones Beene
Robert Ellefson
Brad Lowe

and about 25 others."

Alan's presentation slides

https://goo.gl/ZpWzo1

and Speaker notes

https://goo.gl/UWDKJK


UPDATE#2 - Sveinn Ólafsson presentation slides

https://goo.gl/Zlenbp

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0 #18 EccoEcco 2015-11-08 08:25
Probably sort of off-topic here, but does anybody have any idea whether the pressure wave from electrical discharges caused by a standard spark plug would be able to displace low pressure hydrogen in an small enclosed cavity (eg a tube) in any relevant way?
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0 #17 Robert Greenyer 2015-10-29 18:06
@EccoEcco

Thanks for the analysis.
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0 #16 EccoEcco 2015-10-28 09:54
This makes me also wonder if:

- Celani got the idea of using CuNi wires from Rossi's old patent.

- Rossi used in some cases copper tubes on purpose so that he could employ CuNi based catalysts for hydrogen dissociation while claiming (in his blog, interviews, patent documentation, but NOT in patent claims) it was contamination (potentially, same for stainless steel tubes) or the result of nuclear reactions.

- Nickel powder hasn't actually been a smokescreen all along. The point seems to be having hydrogen continuously dissociating and recombining from catalysts in a hydrogen-satura ted environment with the action of pressure pulses and varying temperatures (but not so high that catalysts are destroyed).
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0 #15 EccoEcco 2015-10-28 07:48
@Robert Greenyer: speaking of old patents and catalysts, I'm wondering if EDX analyses in Rossi's first patents aren't actually of one of many different kinds of catalyst particles rather than the result of nuclear reactions:


i.imgur.com/pisjzQu.png

With Ni and Zn this makes me think of Urushibara Nickel, which is primarily a Ni-Zn alternative to Raney Nickel, the famous Ni-Al catalyst used in many industrial processes.

en.wikipedia.org/.../...

Quote:
First nickel is precipitated in metallic form by reacting a solution of a nickel salt with zinc. (...) After the digestion with acid most of the zinc and zinc oxide is dissolved from the catalyst, while after digestion with base it still contains considerable amounts of zinc and zinc oxide
erowid.org/.../urushibara.html

Quote:
Both U-Ni-A and U-Ni-B are produced from the same precipitated nickel that is deposited by the reaction between nickel salt solution and zinc dust.


I also tried sorting many of the translated claims of Rossi's italian patent into something more coherent and readable. They do seem to describe a general process rather than a "recipe":

- The powder, grains or bars residing in a hydrogen-satura ted environment contain catalysts and are composed of any isotope of Ni, Cu and/or other metals (claims 1, 2, 6, 12, 13)

- Hydrogen is injected in pulses at a pressure preferably between 2 and 20 bar, rather than kept at constant pressure (claims 1, 4, 7)

- Temperature is varied within preferably 150 and 500°C rather than maintained constant (claims 3, 8.)

- Different kinds of exothermic reactions can occur and different atoms can be created in the process depending on the amount of protons interacting with the powder, grains or bars (claim 15)
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0 #14 Robert Greenyer 2015-10-27 23:14
@EccoEcco

Yes - I was reading through just these points earlier today.
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0 #13 EccoEcco 2015-10-27 22:57
I previously observed (for example, on LENR-Forum) how Rossi's 2009 TOF-SIMS analyses posted on New Energy Times didn't seem to contain Nickel at all. Perhaps this is not too weird if we think of Leif Holmlid's experiments. However there's more to this: according to some of the original claims in Rossi's early E-Cat patents, Nickel isn't actually required.

Have a look at this translation of the claims of Rossi's italian 2008 patent, again posted on New Energy Times:
newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/Rossi-ECat-Italian-Patent App-Claims-English.pdf
newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/2011RossiItalianPatent.pdf

Quote:
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12. Apparatus according to one or more of the previous claims, characterized by the fact that the nickel utilized for the nuclear reaction can be of any isotope

13. Apparatus according to one or more of the previous claims, characterized by the fact that the nickel utilized for the nuclear reaction can be substituted with other elements, in particular copper.
His 2009 world patent application also stated something similar, before many claims were amended later on:
patentscope.wipo.int/.../...

Quote:
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12. An apparatus according to claim 5, characterized in that said nickel powder is a nickel isotope powder.

13. An apparatus according to claim 5, characterized in that said nickel powder is replaceable by a copper powder.
The international patent is less general here, but it seems clear that Nickel was not originally thought to be necessary.
This would be consistent with the analyses I was referring, here: newenergytimes.com/.../...

Digitized:
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0 #12 EccoEcco 2015-10-27 15:15
@Robert Greenyer: to be frank right now I have no idea of what else he might be possibly creating in-situ, so I'm looking forward to reading that.

I'd like to add that the small but sizable amounts of V and Mo in the Lugano ash particles (from the digitized TOF-SIMS analysis, which hopefully I've correctly decoded) might be giveaways that some sort of dehydrogenation catalyst was indeed used. Oxides of these metals tend to come up often in the dehydrogenation catalyst patents I've seen so far. Notably, V2O5 (vanadium pentoxide) is used in this dehydrogenation catalyst patent by the Shell Oil company: www.freepatentsonline.com/.../ (scroll down to Table I). The version without vanadium is called "Shell 105" (EDIT: corrected; I've previously written the opposite).

In the end I don't think the exact composition matters here as long as the catalyst does its job. However, it could be that several different alkali promoted, iron oxide dehydrogenation catalysts have been used in Rossi experiments, perhaps even at the same time.

As a side note, the one described in example 22 here:
www.freepatentsonline.com/.../

Might be similar in composition to the HTED-04 one planned to be used in upcoming MFMP experiments.

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The Composition of the Catalyst according to our invention comprises: iron oxide, potassium oxide, calcium and magnesium, cerium oxide, other promoters and stabilizers, but no molybdenum and chromium oxide.
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0 #11 Robert Greenyer 2015-10-27 14:51
@EccoEcco

Yes, this was my thinking. Moreover, I think he is doing more in situ - something I will expand upon and the earliest opportunity.
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