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Five nines? [UPDATE #1 - Carbon cycle like LENR observed?]

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Why was Carbon and Oxygen in the fuel and ash, why Nitrogen and Oxygen in the reactor is not a problem and why has Parkhomov possibly seen success where 'purists' have failed?

Bob Greenyer made a discovery earlier today that might explain why Carbon and Oxygen is seen in the fuel and the ash in all reported element analysis for Rossi's reactors and why Nitrogen is no impediment to the reaction. Essentially, if you have proton projectiles available - you have a standard, accepted nuclear fuel cycle based on Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen and protons (from Hydrogen). See attached accepted basic reaction chain. For a more complete reaction chain and how it fits into the whole reactors fuel cycle, please see the end of the spreadsheet:


Image taken from page 596 of this reference

Subsequent to this finding, the SEM/EDX came in for the Parkhomov Ni - and it is a doozy.

Bob Higgins says

"I have just received the SEM image and analysis from Ed Storms (Kiva Labs). Alexander's Ni is a carbonyl Ni very similar to the Hunter AH50. Even though the bottle says 99.9% Ni, that may be a bulk analysis if it is even correct. Ed's EDX analysis showed the surface to have 83% Ni, 5.2% O, and 6.5% C. The median particle sized looks to be about 8 microns diameter. This should alleviate concerns that Alexander's Ni powder was somehow "special" because it was ordinary carbonyl Ni powder."

Thanks to Dr. Parkhomov for giving us the sample and for Edmund Storms and Kiva Labs for the analysis.

It seams that we have been failing because we believed that the purity of the Nickel needed to be extremely pure, like the QSI powder. We have been making the same mistake that the early attempts to replicate Pons and Fleischmann made - trying to be too refined, too much of a "good thing" could have been our downfall.

ENEA has spent the last 2 decades searching for the right impurities for palladium, if only everyone had known the need for impurities then as now...

Wouldn't it have been great to know what was in those original P&F electrodes as we do now for Dr. Parkhomov's Nickel?

UPDATE #1 - Carbon cycle like LENR observed?


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0 #14 Florian 2016-07-17 18:21
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0 #13 JAMES A. ROVNAK 2015-06-14 03:17
Brian still convinced TRIAC has some EM frequencies necessary to excite the LENR process & maintain it & VARIAC sources not enough and you concluded VARIACs EM had no effects also! Both Parkhomov & Rossi & now MFMP have experience success with TRIAC power sources. Godes actually has patent on EM generator for his devices stimulation, granted it is somewhat different, but I remember years ago him telling Rossi of necessity or proper EM in LENR reactors. Rossi seemed to have made major headway after that. I've been following these developments since 1989 & have a nuclear engineering background & career until retiring 15 years ago.
0 #12 DAK 2015-05-20 19:52
The ratio of carbon to oxygen is consistent with CO being on the surface of the nickel from incomplete reduction.
0 #11 DAK 2015-05-20 19:45
The issue with this mechanism (reactions in the sun) is the presence of positrons. They quickly react with electrons to form gammas that are quite penetrating.
You would be better off considering reactions with lithium, which are a neutronic, or enhanced alpha decay.

The oxygen helps nickel uptake hydrogen.
+1 #10 Robert Greenyer 2015-04-12 23:10

I think you are getting it - Piantelli is a man that is precise and does things for a reason.

Ni C H Energy is perfect.

Ni C H would explain why Rossi would need to have more 62Ni in older E-Cats to act as a springboard - whilst in more modern variants - the Li and Al reactions that produce Alphas rapidly transmute the 58Ni to 62Ni and then the main reaction can take over, the

4 protons > α + 2e+ +2v + 26.7 MeV

The production of alpha here also enhances the transmutation of Fe, Mn and Ni to 62Ni. After which the catalyst is Carbon, and the Fuel is Protium, with the other Catalyst being 62Ni.

Hydrogen is the long term fuel, and that is why the Hot-Cat keeps going.
+2 #9 Ecco 2015-04-12 02:55
@Glowfish: I am; that's my tentative hypothesis after finding out that the melting temperature of nickel hydride at 1 atm can be as low as ~1100°C [1] and that the process and operating conditions of diamond film growth on nickel substrates appears to be similar to that of these Parkhomov-style replications above 1000 °C. If the reaction occurs in clusters of carbon nano fibers/tubes/di amonds synthesized in-situ instead of nickel nano/micro clusters, then that would increase the maximum operating temperature significantly, possibly above 3600°C.

I'm still not sure what the role of Li-Al would be if this were the case, though. Perhaps it's still providing atomic hydrogen to the sintered (and possibly molten when it forms a metal-hydride at high temperatures) nickel powder for the growth of carbon nanofeatures. For diamond film growth it appears that it indeed is important.

[1] But keep in mind that only some of the nickel powder would actually form a metal-hydride, so it's not that it would be entirely molten at those temperatures.

@Robert Greenyer: interesting. Now I'm wondering if NichEnergy knows about that too. Why? "Ni-C-H" Energy... ok ok, probably a coincidence... (very likely so)
0 #8 GlowFish 2015-04-11 22:05
Are you speculating that the reaction is possibly a CNO cycle and that the Nickel is not really part of the reaction and is serving just as a platform or enviroment for the reaction to take place (So instead of a gas or plasma, it is occuring in a solid or liquid)?
0 #7 Robert Greenyer 2015-04-11 20:15
@Brian Ahern

Thanks for the update, good luck on the new test!

I think we have demonstrated that if you heat slow enough - you will not have an explosion if your reactor wall is suitably thick
0 #6 Robert Greenyer 2015-04-11 20:14

Celani saw higher excess when adding acetone which left dentritic carbon fibres on his wires.

At ICCF18 at the UOM, they were growing carbon nano-tubes on nickel islands on a substrate for electrolytic cells, on the thursday, they reported 27% excess on their first try!

There is an interesting post at ECW reporting on Les Cases work using carbon as a catalyst.

0 #5 Robert Greenyer 2015-04-11 20:06

UPDATE: 15g vials of AH50 to be made available for $20 including shipping to anywhere (within reason), this has a lower carbon and oxgen content according to the manufacturer (maybe bulk analysis which we are waiting to do) than the surface of Dr. Parkhomov's, but similar structure. Carbon may then be added, please express your interest here:

+3 #4 Ecco 2015-04-11 16:24
@Robert Greenyer: my point is that given that some people are reporting excess heat when temperature is increased to relatively high levels, can we tell for sure that the assumption that the nickel particles have to be in the solid phase is actually correct? What I'm reading here seems to point against it in that the melting temperature of Ni-H and Ni-C-H should be significantly lower of that of pure Ni. I'm aware this goes against many theories in the LENR literature according to which nanoclusters/na nofeatures within a certain size are needed for LENR to occur, but has anybody actually demonstrated that excess heat does stop when those clusters melt?

I seem to remember that dr. Celani speculated that nanodiamonds could play a role in excess heat production. I'm admittedly not an expert in the field of diamond synthesis but the process described seems similar in many ways to these high temperature Ni-H LENR experiments. If carbon, of which Rossi's and Parkhomov's nickel powder seems to be unusually rich of, somehow actually has a role in creating nanodiamonds, there are chances those could be the actual reaction sites. Food for thought.

+4 #3 Brian Ahern 2015-04-11 14:21
I used LiAlD4 with Ni-255. I observed little excess energy. It was probably less than 500 milliwatts with 900 watts input.

I left a pin hole to prevent overpressure explosions.

Next, I will used LiAlH4
I will use some Powdered provided by Rob Greenyer
I will add a little extra Li-6 for good measure.
0 #2 Robert Greenyer 2015-04-11 14:11

Well that depends on if you see it as a hydride or Nickel, with electrons replaced with H- impostors!
+1 #1 Ecco 2015-04-11 12:06
@MFMP: maybe a bit off-topic, but according to this patent the melting temperature of nickel hydride is 1145 °C. Are you able to find real sources confirming this piece of information?


If nickel hydride was actually in the molten phase at 1145 °C, it would have several implications on how these cells might work.

The specific gravity of diamond is such that it will float on liquid nickel or on liquid nickel hydride. Nickel melts at 1450 Celsius and nickel hydride melts at 1145 Celsius.
EDIT: I found this:



EDIT2: it's also worth pointing out that an eutectic NiC alloy (~3% carbon content by weight) has a lower melting point than pure Ni.

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