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TOPIC: What is your LENR FUEL ?

#139 11 years 5 months ago
What is your LENR FUEL ?

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After watching the box opening video the first thing I noticed and it stood out was the pressure relief system on the hydrogen inlet. I had thought and considered the "hydrogen gas" as an element of the fuel in whole. I had interpreted from other claims that pressure gradients were needed to stimulate the LENR fluctuation to begin.

Curious but if there is a pressure relief does that mean a constant supply of gas is involved with this process? Is this psi in the gas pressure regulated at this point specifically for the structural integrety of the glass tube?

What do you consider your "FUEL" or Celani's "FUEL", is it the wire, the cracks, the loading and pressure of the hydrogen gas or the three combined and perhaps more. Is the wire used the isotan44?
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#142 11 years 5 months ago
What is your LENR FUEL ?

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We are establishing protocol with the relevant stakeholders on a daily basis. H2+other gas, wire, nanoscale morphology of wire, pressure and temperature in loading and reaction are all important and we will reveal everything as we have to do to perform the multiple replications. We have to nail this first internally working with the best minds in the field.

Bob
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#146 11 years 5 months ago
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Bob it appears the best minds in the arena here in the US have failed to give us any progress in this field, hence your team now exists because other "experts" as you indicate have left us without hope. So how would you judge that "best minded" person? By theirr experience, their paperwork, what they contend?

Anyway in a situation where no one has documented success, and no previous track record of experience in this trade has provided results of success how could your team limit others by stating "only the best minds" and it seems now this site is working towards capital to go forward.

I had hoped this would be a straight forward openess to develop but again I feel we are leaning towards some rewards based testing and not simply wanting to get the project up and rolling.

It just bothers me when people go into a new subject like you have with pure good intentions and it simply again comes down to money and judging others on what they may or may not know, and depending how good they convey their story or documents of previous success to those listening.

Please do not make this political on this site, the machinist and mechanic are as important as any of the people who are collecting money for further progress and building a business in this venture New Fire.

I am following this site and hope that the sincere nature of LENR progress, and the sincere nature of your efforts combine into a successful venture but just know there are those out there who could really make progress in this
science and do not carry reems of diplomas and past history to gain support.




"When no one knows factually what is going on then all other assistance from others becomes the base value"
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#147 11 years 5 months ago
What is your LENR FUEL ?

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Not every person is willing to consistently spend a large amount of focused unpaid time on a project at the stage we are at, as well as provide real cash and other resources to realise a project. We are very blessed that so many people have come forward to assist and advise us who have good intentions and value to back their words. We are agnostic to the technology or the support framework, but we are constrained when we start to focus resources on an area. When making tortillas, people that are good at making tortillas can offer the most, especially when they are able to give their time freely. We are not saying that the burger chef is bad at making burgers. Right now we are replicating and extending Celani's very promising work, my sister is very excited and has time on her hands, but realistically she accepts she can't help technically, but is helping in other ways.

Many other players have closed communications when others have challenged their mode and level of openness. It is quite an effort to do stuff and report it realtime or near to realtime and deliver the perfect wording. Many criticisms have been cast against others when they have written something in the spirit of disclosure that can then be challenged by 1000s of others with time to mull over the meaning of the specific words. This is the nature and risk of open disclosure in a connected and passionate world.

We are open to all that can add value, and there is 7 billion on this fair planet that may be able to do that right now, considering offers of help is a very time consuming process - but we want to encourage it all the same. We do however have to recognise that we can't do everything and please everyone immediately at once. We want to do this right and therefore it takes time.

Our aim is clear, we expect to be judged on the journey, but we are doing this with the best of intentions. For me personally a "best mind" is open, willing, non-judgmental, resilient, capable and can add value positively towards the stated aims. For me personally, that mind does not have to have a specific toolset - but does have to fit into the team in a positive way. We have no idea how big the team should be ultimately, but we are all in this together.

It is tough to know where our resources are best spent in order to create the best output - we think that we are on a good path but are always open to others demonstrating how the MFMPs aims could be achieved faster, constructive criticism is very welcome. We believe that by facilitating the incontrovertible demonstration of one or more methods to achieve the New Fire we will be able to kickstart the whole industry such that all of the many players that have an interest will benefit from a new industrial revolution that will broadly benefit mankind and the planet.

We are doing what we can. We cannot speculate or say what we do not know to be true however as we must at all times maintain utter credibility. This week we hope to be able to reveal more about the morphology of a component of "the fuel" as we will be undertaking SEM etc. characterisation of the wire as we stated clearly we would do here:

www.quantumheat.org/index.php/component/...t-mfmp/85-plan-steps

but we can't promise to tell you everything about how it might work, no one can, that is in great debate around the world as I am sure you are aware. Much of the answer to what the fuel is, is already in Celani's published papers and we hope that we can add to that great body of work given time and resources.

The MFMP is, at this stage, working to achieve its primary aim; "Show to the world there is a new practical primary energy source we call the New Fire". There is no hidden agenda or conspiracy.

We absolutely need everyone that can assist to do so and if there is not currently an easy fit for a volunteers primary skills in our current work, we would hope they could find some other way to help. I am always amazed at how versatile people are given a chance and everyone is capable of spreading the word.

Thanks again for your great input and understanding.

Bob
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