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The US team has reconfigured their V1.3 Celani type cells to test in a pure differential mode between cell A and cell B.  Mathieu had done the same with the EU cells just before ICCF.  This configuration will allow us to set the cells to any temperature and pressure and power configuration and simply look for a large temperature difference between the active cell and the passive cell.  The US cells are now operating.  The EU cells will start up soon after some troubleshooting in the pass-throughs.

The reconfiguration in the US was made by taking the "used" Celani wire from cell A, taking a couple centimeter sample off of it, and placing the rest into Cell B in place of the heater wire.  Then we replaced that wire in cell A with a fresh nichrome wire.  That means cell B has 2 Celani wires and Cell A has 2 nichrome wires.  The cells are plumbed together  and the connection between them will be open so that they always see the same gas and pressure conditions.  

 US Cell Configuration

Cell A NiCr1 Previous NiCr wire 
NiCr2 New NiCr wire
Cell B CuNi1 Celani Wire previously loaded in Cell A.  The Resistance for this wire is Rb_CuNi1 in test "Cell US1.3B"
CuNi2

Celani Wire that had remained unloaded in Cell B during the V2.0 Protocol tests. The Resistance for this wire is Rb_CuNi1 in test "Cell US1.3B"

We will be watching this wire load first.  

 

Loading:  Start at 5 bar H2 and 70C, raise the power in 2.5 Watt steps and wait for the resistance to level off at each step.  

First 24 Hours of loading test:

We started the low power first step of this test of this yesterday. As the power was turned on and then turned up a couple hours later, the CuNi2 wire showed a negative temperature coefficient by dropping in resistance while the CuNi1 wire, having already been loaded, increases , instead.

 

During the previous tests we did not see anything more than a watt or two, and because of ambient changes, limited power, vacuum variation, and other unknowns that may have been occurring, we could not call that test a definite excess energy.  With the flexibility that running in differential mode gives us, we should be able to test to a higher wire temperature and see if we just weren't getting it hot enough, or if our vacuum was too strong.  The tradeoff is that our calibrations will not be accurate at all since they were prepared in 1 mBar vacuum and only up to 25 or 30 watts.  The really nice thing is that abandoning calibrations mean we should be able to swap out these wires in cell B with new ones every week till we find one that shows enough signal to be compelling.

 


Update 8/16/13

Every once in a while I wish I was faking the whole thing and only going live for a few hours at a time so I could show some exciting results and be pretty sure things would look perfect.  Yesterday we made a mistake and it was, thankfully, caught by Ecco, our most consistent comment contributor.  When we reconfigured the wires in the cells, we accidentally moved the NiCr wire from cell A instead of the Celani Wire.  Malachi came in late last night to correct the problem.  (Note:  this does explain why the "loaded wire" in the graph above was showing us a positive temperature coefficient :-/ )

Ecco noticed what happened as he was scouring the data and noticed that one of the wires in Cell A was decreasing in resistance significantly.  The graph below is for Cell A.

Looking at the graph above, it is clear that the blue resistance line is in the range of the Celani wire instead of the NiCr.  What amazed me when I saw it, though, is that the "loading" started after a few hours at 70C mica temperature.  I did not expect to see resistance dropping at that temperature.  The knee on the slope about 09:00 when nothing else seems to be changing except the pressure is interesting.  This is the same wire that we spent a lot of time trying to load after the first few runs and thought we were seeing it get less active because it just wouldn't seem to load much, anymore.  What is going on inside this wire?  

You can keep watching this wire with us, but you'll have to look in cell B, now.  If we make more mistakes, let us know.  We want to make many mistakes and fix them quickly so we make the most rapid progress.


UPDATE 2 - 8/19 

Over the weekend, we continued the loading of the active wires in Cell B.  The plan was to up the temperature and wait for the resistance to level off.  Since were weren't going to be around to watch, though, we gave the cells 12 hours per step.  As you can see from the graph below, the rate of resistance drop didn't seem to change much over the weekend.  Now we will leave the power steady till it does.  The rate of resistance drop at such a low temperature is something pretty interesting to me.  

 

Since Hydrogen seems to be percolating into the new wire and the old wire was already mostly loaded, I thought I would see if there was any temperature difference, yet.

There is, but it was the control cell that was consistently slightly hotter.  Interesting, huh?  It should make any positive looking result a little more believable, anyway.

 

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+3 #112 Edwin Pell 2013-09-04 03:44
I would be interested to point an IR camera on the wire. Are there hot spots? Would it look like the SPAWAR IR video?
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+4 #111 Edwin Pell 2013-09-03 22:21
Wire #2 in cell B is getting interesting. On the 2nd it was not just breathing it was panting (I have two dogs). Lots of flux but I think we are still at very low loading.

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0 #110 Edwin Pell 2013-09-02 14:50
What is Vac (mbar) and why does it peak every mid-night?

The leak means two things hydrogen is leaking and oxygen is leaking in.
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0 #109 Ecco 2013-09-02 14:33
@Edwin Pell? sorry, but, flux of what exactly?
What do you mean that the cell is running out of flux?

Anyway, I think there are more serious issues to solve first. For example I find very concerning that whenever Cell B appears to be increasing in temperature, Cell A does almost the exact opposite, and viceversa:


i.imgur.com/rXZSPLu.png


i.imgur.com/1CfPMqN.png

To me this is hinting that cell location and exposure to external influences (random air currents, pockets of heated air, ambient temperature variations etc) are largely responsible for the apparent excess heat signal.
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0 #108 Edwin Pell 2013-09-02 14:18
We need a breathing mode. load, unload, load, unload, etc...
Right now we are focused on load, load, load, etc
I think we have reached the end of that road.
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0 #107 Edwin Pell 2013-09-02 14:00
Bob, there is not much flux left. It used to vary from .004 to .001 now it is more like .001 to 0. So, relative to this small number wire #2 is significant.





previous data



This all makes sense except for the peak in excess heat at 12am on the 1st. Overall less flux means less excess heat. On the other hand the rise that is happening now is strange. Little flux but rising excess heat.
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0 #106 Ecco 2013-09-02 11:45
@Robert Greenyer: I didn't notice that new data was coming in.
Indeed, it appears that CuNi #2 is starting to load, with the 40W passive heating:


i.imgur.com/4Isvk4k.png

Oscillating patterns for the previous power steps are most likely due to diurnal variations in ambient temperature.
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0 #105 Robert Greenyer 2013-09-02 11:25
@All

Could people take a look at the last 3 days data.

It would appear that following the last step of power and re-pressure on the main wire, the second wire is starting to load which appears to be endothermic pulling the cells temperatures closer together, but that might be because the higher pressure is stopping any potential excess heat process, but that after a period, the pressure drops to a lower level and the apparent excess returns.

We are approaching the practical safe current in the main powered wire, but there is still some headroom, so there is more chance for passive loading of the second wire before actively powering it.
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0 #104 Robert Greenyer 2013-09-02 10:55
@Ecco

With regard to variation in environmental talk back. It would be possible to swap the cell positions over and keep everything else the same.
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+2 #103 Ryan Hunt 2013-09-02 04:14
@All - Sorry for the lack of reporting and the interruption in the data flow. I was out all week for some much needed time away from everything except my family. The rest of my team was dealing with network problems from lightning and other troubleshooting . Monday is a national holiday in the USA. My team deserves the break, but we will reconvene on Tuesday and we'll see where everything is at and get it all fixed or communicated or whatever it is that is a higher priority.

I would very much like to thank Ed Pell for his write up. I feel his contribution, along with so many of the other regular commentors here are a huge validation of the approach we are trying to take. Without that kind of interactive dialog and participation in the process, it simply would not be worth it to take the pains we do to try and publish our process live. To do the analysis and prepare the blog posts and engage in the wider discussion does require quite a bit of time. The whole effort is highly unorthodox and is, itself, an experiment. Is it worth it? It certainly has allowed us much criticism to grow from.

@Frasp - I am overjoyed to understand how important following our work is to you. We'll try to make it worth your while.
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0 #102 Edwin Pell 2013-09-02 01:24
Is the experiment still running and just not updating to the web? Either way what next, what are the plans? Thanks.

I like the idea of stepping down. You took one step down and got to fully loaded. Would two steps get us to over-loaded flux out and excess power?
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0 #101 Edwin Pell 2013-09-01 21:19
Frasp, I am feeling uncertain about the social etiquette of "open science". I do not know if we think in terms of officals of MFMP and outside observers or what. But anyway as a person who tries to follow what is going on I wrote a report about this experiment which you can find a link to in my post down a few. It shows a graph of excess heat as a function of applied power. It shows a curve fit that is quadratic after the threshold. I hope you find it informative.

I think what we are seeing is that few people like to write reports and given a chance to do some more engineering/sci ence/programmin g or write a report ....
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0 #100 Edwin Pell 2013-09-01 21:09
Ecco, I like the comprise of using the connection at ambient and then closing and running hot. And returning to ambient as needed to re-equalize the two sides.

The other thing that needs to be done is find the leak and fix it. It is huge one atm lost in 12 hours starting at 3 atm pressure. It should be visible with soapy water. I volunteer to come out and hunt for it.
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0 #99 Ecco 2013-09-01 19:39
@Edwin Pell: a couple more uses for the shared H2 connection are that:

- It can guarantee that both cells have the exact same gas mix (this can be a problem if something other than H2 is used or if different gases are used in a given timeframe)

- If when the shared connection is closed, over time one of the cells leaks more gas than the other (due to higher temperature, more severe leaks, etc), all needs to be done to solve this is cooling them off to ambient temperature, then open the connection for a while to equilibrate pressure again before restarting the experiment and no need to mess with pressurized gas bottles. This could be even automated with an electronically controlled valve.

All in all however I agree too that the shared plumbing doesn't have (nor needs) to be kept open all the time while input power is applied.
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0 #98 Edwin Pell 2013-09-01 18:44
The H2 connection does not make sense to me. If both cells start with the same amount of H2 and the same pressure. Then at higher applied power the hot cell should have higher pressure than the less hot cell. By connecting them you make this impossible. It is no longer a differential experiment. It is an experiment when gas is moved from the hot cell to the cold cell. When the pressure in the hot cell is decreased and the pressure in the cold cell is increased relative to where they would be if they were separate. This confuses things greatly.
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0 #97 btbbass 2013-08-31 23:25
I completely agree with Ecco.

What is needed now, is strong data (can we be 100% sure of data acquisition boards / setup ?), strong data and least but not last, strong data.
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