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TOPIC: Was the first effort a failure?

#177 11 years 5 months ago
Was the first effort a failure?

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Sorry for the negative tone of my post but am I right in saying that the first effort was a failure? If so then what now?
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#178 11 years 5 months ago
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Hi Rats,

We are in the Hydrogen loading phase. This takes 2-3 days.

At this stage, the Calani wire is passively heated in H2 pressurised atmosphere. The drop in resistance is a very good sign that the wire is taking on Hydrogen. This is very successful at this stage.

After hydrogen loading we will go to the active loaded wire test - this should likely start in the next 30 hours. So stay tuned.

If we get a positive result - it will be incredible on our first attempt and will be a testament to the robustness of the Celani approach - but we are aware that there are many variables and that we may, in fact need a number of attempts at this.

Let's see, this is cutting edge science and consider that not everybody can bake bread on their first attempt - even when it has been done for thousands of years!

Bob
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#179 11 years 5 months ago
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Thanks for your reply. Keep at it guys. :-)
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#197 11 years 5 months ago
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It's great to hear that you will allow the test to run for a longer period of time despite the urge to try something else.
One of the effects of the metal in hydrogen is embrittlement of the metal. It's my understanding that this dynamic process is affected by both heat and length of time the metal is exposed to the hydrogen.

Great work so far and we all share your excitement.
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#199 11 years 5 months ago
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Ron, you are absolutely correct. we may have to run through a number of load/unload cycles, even letting the wire just sit in H2 for a week before we have the right geometry to repeatedly show the effect. Others, including Celani talk of this finding.

As it is we are not able to get comfortably into the active reaction temperature range to trigger the effect without risking the wire. There is simply too much conductive losses with the gas at pressure and lack of thermalisation of IR in the Quartz. We have had a very positive experiment when considering the IR absorption analysis issues identified by the team was experimentally verified.

We have a calibration of 0.5 bar for the current setup and Celani said today - as he had advised earlier, that we might be more likely to see an early positive outcome operating at this pressure. It allows for much higher wire temperatures to be achieved with lower power input.
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#202 11 years 5 months ago
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Bob,
I hesitate to post here because I really don't know very much and have no real background in nuclear physics. I have however, spent quite a bit of time reading all I can about nickel and transition metals as well as hydrogen. It pays to know the players well! :)
There's quite a bit of information on the web about the effects of nickel when heated. The micro evolution of the crystal structure has been of keen interest to me. As I understand it. the evolution is a dynamic process that's affected by both time and temperature as well as the purity of the metal. There's some speculation about the crystal structure being important in producing the desired effect.
I'm curious as to why on your first attempt to replicate the effect you chose to change the setup? I do understand why you chose the quartz glass to be able to go to a higher temperature but since it wasn't part of the original experiment, why did you change it? Are there other aspects of the original setup that you've not replicated?
If you had this "first try" to do over, would you have substituted the glass for quartz?

I really do hope that the change to quartz and different temperature profile will give up a serendipity results of even more anomalous heat than has been reported to date. That would be so awesome and it's not entirely impossible due to the nature of micro crystalline evolution.

Just know that we all share your excitement!
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#203 11 years 5 months ago
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Hi Ron,

Thank you. You are very qualified and welcome to be a part of this collaborative effort. People may choose to judge, but we are not prejudiced or judgemental here - this is a scientific project. A wise man once said to me, 200 hours of focused study on a subject would qualify someone as an expert (relative to others) in that subject. I am thankful that I am not tormented by fear of loosing my university tenure, or my profession by giving my time to this endeavour.

When the science is not known fully and the experiments not ubiquitous, hopefully much progress can be made by following the evidence. When in Korea, Celani said that his next path was to build a reactor that could withstand higher temperatures and go for self sustain mode. He encouraged us to not only replicate his experiment that worked - but to extend it and so we chose to go straight to the Quartz and higher capability cell.

We established before the run that we might have an issue with the IR thermalisation in the Quartz and are due to receive a Custom made borosilicate tube (thanks to donors!!) in the EU. But we have learnt some important things from this run.

There are several ways we can explore getting higher temperatures in the US cell which we can explore - starting with a 0.5 bar run.

Thanks for you engagement.
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#204 11 years 5 months ago
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If I recall Dr. Celani first obtained excess power by driving the heating wire instead of the active one. I am not sure why you chose to drive the active wire first. Perhaps you could explain how you decided upon this path although I would expect the device to operate in either mode.

I do worry about the large amount of power being applied to the test wire as I recall the concerns expressed by Dr. Celani about melting or damage. It might be too late to close that particular door at this time.

If you believe that the temperature is inadequate for the reaction to initiate then it might be possible to drive both power wires simultaneously. I am not confident that there is adequate calibration data presently available for using that alternate technique.

Your patience is admirable and I feel confident that you will succeed after enough effort has been expended.

Thank you for the grand effort and allowing us to be there with you in mind if not body. I wish that some of the other players would choose to operate in a similar manner. :)
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