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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3441</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Sanjeev An alternative approach to using high hydrogen pressure or powerful external heating appears to be making the gas (pre-heated?) actively and continuously come in contact with the heated active element(s). This could be achieved by a constant gas flow directed toward the active element as described in Piantelli's patent (and as Rossi appeared to do in his earlier experiments, according to expert analysis of the available photographic evidence), through gas pressure pulses, or with well controlled gas ionization through electrical sparks as Defkalion does (the process was broadly described in their ICCF17/NIWeek presentations). It looks that H2 has to "move around" and heating it directly promotes this process but might not be enough depending on how the cell and the active elements are made. This is of course in the speculation realm, but I'm relatively confident it might be one of the keys for excess heat generation.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>btbbass says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3435</link>
			<description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OUsDKur6c0g a 1994 video of Focardi speaking about Nickel - Hidrogen studies he was conducting with other experimenters. Interesting part begin at 8:00. After a while, it says that they found that Nickel will adsorb an important amount of H after 400C. This behaviour was not found in literature. So yes, temperature is definetely a good point to investigate. (maybe in steel glass cell? )]]></description>
			<dc:creator>btbbass</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3434</link>
			<description><![CDATA[In previous messages I've written that active wire resistance in EU Cell A wouldn't get significantly much below 14 Ohm, but when I wrote that I did totally forget that the resistance was being measured with the active wire under passive heating. Now that heat load has been removed, resistance decreased to almost exactly the previous "final value" of 13.11 Ohm, at 13.14 Ohm. So H2 loading/deloadi ng is almost totally reversible in both ways. I think this is a very important confirmation for Celani's work (some skeptics speculated that the resistance drop was due to surface microstructure sintering). I wonder if making the wire absorb more by increasing temperature would increase its H2 storage capacity permanently like it seemingly did with the first loading.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>AlanG says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3429</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ecco I don't think the outer layers are conductive. The exact composition is proprietary to Celani but probably oxides of various other metals. They're applied as a coating, looks like about 20 um thick in the micrograph. There's probably some reaction with the CuNi at the interface that creates nano structures of some kind. Or maybe the coating itself provides the NAE. Do we know? SEM images recently posted show some craters in the coating of the wire after treating with acetone. But these could be chemical in origin and the text doesn't say whether the treated wire was heated in the presence of hydrogen.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>AlanG</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3426</link>
			<description><![CDATA[This is the spec sheet for the constantan wire Celani uses: http://www.isabellenhuette.de/pdf/WIDER_LEG/ISOTAN-ISABELLENHUETTE-R.pdf (see page 3) It appears that resistance (under standard conditions ie unloaded) decreases slightly in the temperature range used by this experiment, so maybe it's not an anomalous effect after all.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3422</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Edwin Pell: yes, and it looks like it will not decrease in resistance as much as it did before now that loading is being attempted again. Not sure if the different power applied (41 mW vs 250 mW) to measure its resistance might have a role in this, though. @MFMP: I don't think there's much benefit in keeping the cell loading at this temperature for 36 more hours. The loading rate after being extremely fast during the first minutes of loading, has noticeably slowed down and is not likely to bring wire resistance significantly below 14 Ohm. I would either try increasing heater power to the level of US Cell A or begin now the second part of step 7 which was supposed to be peformed immediately after testing the cell under vacuum with the passive wire.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Edwin Pell says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3420</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Do I understand, heating in a vacuum has de-loaded the NiCu wire?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Edwin Pell</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3419</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Which other alloys decrease in electrical resistance as their temperature increases like unloaded Celani wire in Cell B? Germanium is a metalloid that does and not many others do. I think some oxides might as well. The non linear response in resistance as it's increasing is of interest too.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3418</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Robert Greenyer It looks like it also very quickly hit a plateau at about 14.08 Ohm. I wonder if increasing passive heating further (45W like with US Cell A for example) will help it decreasing or if resistance will start increasing as if a loading limit has been reached.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3412</link>
			<description><![CDATA[On the latest update: - Which other alloys decrease in electrical resistance as their temperature increases like unloaded Celani wire in Cell B? (Negative temperature coefficient of resistance). I haven't been able to find any. Are measurements correct or is this a very strange real anomaly? - At what time will hydrogen reloading start? - It appears that EU live data is lagging a bit.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3411</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wow. The active wire in EU Cell A has deloaded completely. Currently 17.51 Ohm. Do you think that since its resistance increased from its starting value of 17.31 Ohm, the wire is now more damaged/cracked /able to load more hydrogen than it previously could? The treatment Celani performs to plain constantan wires (ISOTAN44) increases their electrical resistance somewhat. A 1 m long untreated wire should have a resistance of about 15.6 Ohm.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>bob says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3410</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Here's a thought. What about a conduction calorimeter tube over this whole apparatus? ie. at the diameter of the metal flanges on the ends. Could consist of a glass tube with foil on inside and outside and styrofoam insulation discs at each end. Whole thing could slip over the apparatus without much intrusion.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3409</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Robert Greenyer As I've written several times, I think the glass tube is complicating things by introducing [originally] unexpected, mostly uncontrollable variables. The ideal scenario would be to eliminate them rather than attempting to factor them in by making the testing setup more complex by introducing even more variables. There also is the "the glass tube slowly becomes more opaque over time with use in hydrogen atmosphere with heated wires and mica" hypothesis for the reported excess heat, with which, again, a control cell can't help much. EDIT: the vacuum protocol should mostly prevent this from happening, though, as most volatile residues from heated component are vacuumed away and the cell does not run for a very long amount of time under a pressurized H2 atmosphere.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Mathieu Valat says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3405</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The resistance is leveling off @ 17Ω there is still the 30W step to make.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mathieu Valat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3403</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ecco This is a valid hypothesis, but if we are lucky enough to see data points in line with our Dec, Jan & Feb standard cell experiments and the recent Steel and Glass experiment then we are building a strong evidence base that would help to dispel this notion.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3401</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@All Just did a manual calculation based on 07:20 time and there is no excess at the moment which is what we would expect at this notional wire temperature.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3400</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ron B It is no big deal, the experiment is meant to Cycle. Celani reported that it only produced excess for 6 days and the lifetime might have been due to out-gassing. STM reported that their experiments did not do anything until the 3rd cycle. So a little cycling will give good data and understanding. We always new there would be some loss of hydrogen, but given all the criticisms of previous experiments this protocol adresses, if we do see excess, then the certainty is far higher. Still early days, but we are already learning fast. We know now that we don't really have to cycle it during loading, we know a higher temperature can help accelerate loading and are currently exploring the upper bounds in the US loading process. Right now we are discovering the practicality of passive heating. We have yet to explore loading with power in the active wire which Celani has said improves loading. We are trying to be cautious given the time and expense to set these experiments up. Without the comparative test set LIVE yet, we would have to manually crunch the numbers today to see if there is any excess.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3399</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Bob, I'd bet you have to reload the wire. I have the feeling at reduced pressure it will lose the hydrogen. :( I hope not though. I wonder just how good the proxy is for the wire temp in the vacuum. It might be much less than the actual wire temp. I was reading about annealing metals today (Nickle and Copper) and ran across this discussion from an old timer. http://rugerforum.net/reloading/17335-how-anneal-nickel-plated-cases.html He talks about brass which contains copper and how they are annealed at different temperatures and cooled differently. Also, you anneal nickle under hydrogen pressure to make mu-metal which has interesting permeability characteristics . I bet when we figure this all out, everything will make sense. .]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3399</guid>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3398</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I may be wrong, but looking at the data, the passive heating in dynamic vacuum is not causing the wire temperature to reach trigger levels (using t-mica as proxy) but it is causing the resistance to increase markedly which is undesirable. My suspicion is that we will have to actively heat the wire to see any effect. I hope that by the time we get to active heating, we do not have to re-load the wire! We are only at 17.5W in which is just past half way, so lots more to see. Mathieu put the hold time at 2 hours rather than 1 to give more settle time and to allow the US team to catch up. I look forward to the team in the US enabling the new test data graph that does the comparative between the cells and the estimated excess power.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3398</guid>
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			<title>charlie tapp says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3396</link>
			<description><![CDATA[While waiting so patiently for lenr to pop it's head out I got my newly rebuilt davey device out. Made from some antique doorknobs modified with a saw. I need some help figuring out the math please. In one minute run starting at 6 amps and every ten seconds dropping a half amp all the way to 1.5 amps I raised the temp of one cup water from 80 f to 200 f kind of . For some reason the bottom of the cup of water stays at 90f unless the device is submerged all the way to bottom. That seems. Pretty good to me but not a math major . Any help would help me pass the time.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>charlie tapp</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3394</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I didn't pay much attention to it since US cells are still in phase 6, but I see there's all the crucial data needed to quickly assess how well the experiment is doing.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3392</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There is a comparison test for the US cells A&B, now. What do you think of it? NOTE: The power calculations are only valid for vacuum conditions like the calibration was done in. So right now, Cell B should be ok, but Cell A has hydrogen and the power out calculation should be ignored.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3391</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You mean a new entry with key in the main HUGnetLab page? That would be interesting. Is it already live? Let me check... http://data.hugnetlab.com/ I didn't refresh the page so I haven't noticed there are new entries here. It would be useful to have a button to refresh this list only, because by reloading the page with F5 all previously set tabs get reset.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3390</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Ecco - How about a comparison test that pulls the key fields from cell A and cell B for easy comparison and includes the power out calculations?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3389</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Ok, now I see. It would have been useful to have Delta T and the power out calculation on EU Cell A live data. By manual calculations using this document as reference, there is no apparent excess heat yet (although this is only the first 5W power step): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkyO8n6-0MjNdFRFem9SUE9JRWFPNEhLREQydmxoZHc&output=html]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3387</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Am I right in saying that what we are looking for in this phase is temperature differences between Cell A and Cell B during steady state operation at varying power levels?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3385</link>
			<description><![CDATA[It has begun!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3382</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Mathieu - What's wrong, your arm getting tired?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Mathieu Valat says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3381</link>
			<description><![CDATA[That's not fair!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mathieu Valat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-3380</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Is there some chance to try a bit what happens with the active wire in the EU Cell A with 45W passive power as currently applied to US Cell A before starting step 7? But I guess it's all settled and ready for the live run, right? Plus, Mathieu wants to run it now.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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