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			<title>Danielgop says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-25743</link>
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			<dc:creator>Danielgop</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2025 07:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>ZacharyAlarl says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-25319</link>
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			<dc:creator>ZacharyAlarl</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2025 17:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Publickt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-23973</link>
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			<dc:creator>Publickt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2025 20:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Rickyrix says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-23708</link>
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			<dc:creator>Rickyrix</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2025 05:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2035</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Maxwell61 and robiD Ok - so i read Mario Massa's comments - what 9 years of singing latin and a bit of french can do for your Italian comprehension.. . oh and frengly.com! It seams he has relevant skills to off the MFMP, would be good to hear if he can directly support the project.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Maxwell61 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2032</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Robert Greenyer I'm not speaking for Mario Massa ROB :-) I guess if you're interested , you have to double check his credentials with Celani and contact him! Which i think is an excellent idea for 2 good reasons: - Is the only external technician (and an expert in calorimetry) that's been involved with all the 3 scientists & theri cell. And have personal relationships with all of them. - Is the only person i know that is at the same time beloved by the 100% of believers and 100% of die-hard skeptics, which says all.....]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Maxwell61</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Maxwell61 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2031</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@robiD In my message the relevant suggestion was clearly to take infos about Dr. Mario Massa calorimetry device, directly asking Celani. Detail here are probably OT. I'll just reply once. -------------- What you said it's not entirely correct: - i did'nt mention a water device for the Piantelli tests but for later applications. - from the link you provide, Mario Massa says "Perchè quando Focardi mi ha concesso di farlo (su una cella Piantelli) l'esito è stato negativo?" fast traslation: "Why the test was negative when Focardi gave me the opportunity of testing a Piantelli cell?" - Few msg ahead he say that the tests, meaning their own tests, were made in person by themselves. So we have the embarassing situation of no results when Massa made the test himself and different (supposedly positive) results when the tests were made by Focardi. A bit more complicated scenario of the one you're suggesting]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Maxwell61</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2030</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Chuck & DS Now we are thinking! @Maxwell61 We are currently building a submersible cell in EU - if Mario Massa is willing to build us a calorimeter as you describe and send it to us then we would be happy to run the cell in it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Maxwell61 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2028</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The italian Eng. Mario Massa, an axpert in calorimetry, after a measuerement on Piantelli's cell (results unpublished) in Piantellli's lab, built few years ago a water-based device for his friend Focardi, but left unused in Bologna University. Mario Massa is a personal friend of Dr. Celani, and recently offered to Celani to build a kind of water tank calorimeter to put inside his cell, untouched, and get bullet proof calorimetry. He claim some 100 eur as manufacturing cost. Celani did'nt go any further. If you want to know more you can ask directly Celani and, in case of interest, a contact information with Mario Massa. Asoli65 knows the story and can confirm the mint reputation of Dr. Mario Massa in the cold fusion italian community.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Maxwell61</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Dieter Seeliger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2027</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Robert, although the cave is a nice idea, there would be another possible solution for a stable thermal chamber. If you can use groundwater from a deep well, this water can be used to stabilize a climate chamber. I know some wells here in my neigborhood which have a fixed temperature of 8°C during the whole year. BR & have anice weekend ! Dieter]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dieter Seeliger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Chuck says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2025</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Robert, if you can zip the rig up in a watertight container of some stuff and toss it into someone's swimming pool or fishpond, there's enough thermal inertia there to sompletely smooth out your environmental temperature problem. Water baths are not completely unknown in the physics lab.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2021</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@All Regarding environmental temp variation and possible implications... maybe now we know why the Italians have a test facility so far underground. Anyone got an old ice well or cave we can use... I guess we are looking for an underground lair for our experiments. That would be so cool... literally I remember caving and going down old slate mines - they were often at a rock steady 4 degrees regardless of time of day or season and had huge caverns. I guess to be certain - we might have to become trogloditic cave dwellers in order to test the New Fire - just like we imagine how the old fire was first used. How apt.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ascoli65 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2019</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Ryan Density correction removes the gas leaks drift from the P_Xs. What remains is a nearly horizontal trend with some positive excursions. Most of them begins with a sudden increase followed by a gradual decline. This is my explanation. The cell is very sensitive to the speed of the outside air. The vertical orientation of the cells facilitates the formation of convective cells that tend to grow and to strengthen over time. This results in the gradual lowering of the temperatures and thus P_Xs. When something disrupts and breaks these cells, for example the presence of someone around the cell, the external recirculation stops suddenly, so T and P_Xs rapidly rise. You should compare the times when P_Xs grows with your approaching to the cells. The Celani graphs are affected by similar problems, but to a greater extent: http://fusionefredda.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/cella-infn/ # comment-11064 (I hope Google translate does a good job).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ascoli65</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I tried, but charts aren't very readable without some sort of filtering I am not able to perform at the moment. outside temperature (red), pxs 1.1 (green) http://i.imgur.com/UZTXSkG.png http://i.imgur.com/UZTXSkG.png t1, t2, t3 ambient temperatures, pxs 1.1 (blue) http://i.imgur.com/M5bd4xX.png http://i.imgur.com/M5bd4xX.png In addition to a correlation with ambient temperatures, there should also be other overlapping ones (such as with pressure) which make eyeballing them more difficult.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2017</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Ecco - Can you grab the T_a1, 2, 3 from the extra sensors test and overlay them? They are just additional air temperature sensors around the cells. And could you get the T_Board on it? That is the temperatures sensor right on one of the data acquisition boards. The one thing the solar panel temps do tell us is whether it was sunny or not.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2016</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Ecco - nice work. The Panel Temperatures are the solar thermal panels on our building and can be ignored for this purpose. The outside temps and the P_xs do seem to correlate somewhat, don't they? Could you try to fit the other run from earlier in the month, too?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2015</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I tried making a chart for cell 1.1: http://i.imgur.com/mWunldp.png http://i.imgur.com/mWunldp.png Black = average of panel temperatures (Celsius) Red = outside temperature (Celsius) Green = P_Xs (W, values on secondary Y axis)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2011</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Ascoli - It appears to me that your analysis can account for some of the measured P_xs, but still shows some times of positive P_xs and supports the general trends. For the periods when it was positive and "running" for a while, it really gave a very similar shape to Celani's graphs, didn't it?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2010</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Bruce - The data points are generally between 2 and 8 seconds apart (up to 40 seconds when we had a data wire problem). We do have a scope and spectrum analyzer that we got with the thought of looking for RF, but we have not had enough time to play with hit, yet.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Chuck says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2005</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ecco, thanks for the reference. I'm not a physical chemist, but I did find other materials bolstering the information presented in the paper. Apparently a hot topic back in 1991. Allow me to run something past you. If atomic hydrogen is essential to this reaction, why not produce it directly? Irradiation of the test chamber by far-UV light or even RF energy as presented in this paper: http://www.lucent.com/bstj/vol44-1965/articles/bstj44-2-261.pdf Do you think that the direct approach might improve the reaction speed?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Bruce Ikelheimer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2003</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Has there been any effort to examine the frequency response of any of the parameters? It can be very hard to see patterns in noisy data like this, but a simple FFT of the results may provide some insight. Is the sampling rate high enough to get decent frequency resolution?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bruce Ikelheimer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ascoli65 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-2001</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Hi David, I have not expressed any conclusion, although I have my definite opinion of what happens in the cell. The curves speak for themselves. I hope they are correct. I specified all values ​​of the parameters that I have used. You might see if I made any mistakes in implementing the formulas. It would be very useful.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ascoli65</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>David Roberson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1999</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ascoli, It is difficult to understand what your conclude. Are you suggesting that the actual excess power, when the gas density is taken into account, is small relative to that which is currently calculated?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David Roberson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ascoli65 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1998</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ryan, Below are the links to 2 images. Both refer to the 1.1 US Cell. The first shows the comparison between your Pout correlation with 5 parameters and the simplified one I used up to now, which has only 3 parameters. For both these correlations, the image provides the values of the additional 3 parameters required for the correction of the density effect. The second image shows the effect of this density correction on the trend of the power unbalance for the last 20 days. First image: http://imgur.com/t9WkDvb Second image: http://imgur.com/1tSA0ZK]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ascoli65</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1997</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ecco Pressure will be taken out of the equation soon. We can then see if similar patterns of activity occur or not. We are very much looking forward to this.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ged says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1993</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Question now is, why would it have that signature, and can we take advantage of it?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ged</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1991</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I wonder what could have caused the upward step in T_Macor (and consequently, P_Out) on Cell 1.1, starting 00:30 UTC. Any idea? Cell 1.0 doesn't seem to have been affected. T_Ambient suddenly slightly decreased in a similarly stepped manner by 0.1 °C at about the same time, however that isn't supposed to cause an increase in internal cell temperatures, let alone by ~1.5°C.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>harry v. says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1990</link>
			<description><![CDATA[123Star, Dave Roberson is right about the banding. I do see the bands in the image posted below but I incorrectly believed the wire was wound in a tighter spiral so I was expecting more bands. The discernability of the wire also depends on the IR camera's settings as seen in this video (at 1:30) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Ma2bvCyuU]]></description>
			<dc:creator>harry v.</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1990</guid>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1988</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I've been using the FLIR camera for many years (old and new models) and they will give odd readings against shiny surfaces. The camera comes with small dots to apply to those types of surfaces. Is the tape in the image showing this effect?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1988</guid>
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			<title>Ascoli65 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1987</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Ryan, I will compare your correlations with mine.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ascoli65</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1986</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Ascoli - Here is the more than complete list of calibration formulas in a spreadsheet. We simply curve fit to the compiled data from the calibrations for each sensor. The equation and the curve fit coefficients are listed in this spreadsheet for all 3 sensors in each cell. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0yO8n6-0MjNU1BidW1WTlhOcUU/edit]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ascoli65 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1984</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@123star, I too think that the Twire affects the Pout, but for now there are other aspects to consider that have a greater impact, as the gas density inside the cells and the air convection outside them. The procedure you proposed for evaluating the effect of irradiation seems suitable for the purpose. But I am afraid it is too demanding. I think it would be interesting to have an rough estimate of Twire. It could be computed from its resistivity, after knowing the relationship with Twire. This last can be derived by progressively increasing the Tgas in the cell by means of an appropriate auxiliary wire. This auxiliary wire must be quite thick in order to reduce the effect of its irradiation. In this way, the Twire is approximately equal to Tgas, which is approximately equal to the TGlassIn. Before doing this, the Celani wire should be completely deoxidized.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ascoli65</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>123star says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1983</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@David Ok, I think we agree on most topics. By the way, my current "guess system" is (even if it may not be consistent with the last results): 1)higher wire temperature -> more IR through glass -> falsely high pout estimate (due to "tape-like" IR absorption by the probe) 2)hydrogen loading -> decresed emissivity (my guess) -> higher wire temperature Point 2) is supported by the article I often cite, http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CerronZebainvestigat.pdf @harry v. Nice objection, maybe the glass in these conditions behaves a bit like an opaque light bulb. Also, the transmitted IR portion is probably less than 10% of the total radiated power. Check this plot and substitute "cell temperature" with "wire temperature" (the graph is from http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/104-energy-density-calculations) http://www.quantumheat.org/images/blog/BorosilicatePowerPowerLossPercent.png]]></description>
			<dc:creator>123star</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>David Roberson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1982</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Harry, When I look at the IR image posted by star in #31, I do see the spiral pattern of the wire. Perhaps your monitor does not show this, but it is clearly visible on mine. Earlier publications on this blog series show the IR characteristics of the glasses used.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David Roberson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>harry v. says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1981</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ Dave Robinson and others this is my amateur interpretation of the infrared image: If some of the IR radiation produced by the wire is escaping without heating the glass then the shape of the wire itself should be discernable in the IR image. Since it is not discernable in the image, I would say the IR produced by the wire is distributed over the glass and absorbed and reradiated by the glass. The question then is why is the tape so white in the image? Could the tape be absorbing radiation which is invisible to the IR camera which it then reradiates at IR wavelengths?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>harry v.</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>David Roberson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1979</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Chuck, I assume that you are asking me about the material. I was interesting in a back of the envelop calculation of the expected power from this Celani replication cell test. I realize that my result is not accurate, but in the ballpark. According to Dr. Storms and many others the heat is due to surface features and not the bulk of the metal. So, I calculated the area of the Celani wire and compared it to a rough calculation of the Rossi metal surface area. This calculation gave me a figure of X watts per square cm. Knowing the mass of the load that Rossi uses, I was able to get an estimate of the total area of his load. Then, knowing the number of watts he claims, I could get an estimate of the watts/cm^2. An area to area comparison suggested that the Celani cell would only need to generate about 1 watt for equivalent performance.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David Roberson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>David Roberson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1978</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@star, I like the nice picture showing the heating concentration at the outer glass monitor. This should help to reinforce the concept that I am discussing since it appears to demonstrate that IR is getting through the glass except where it is caught by the tape and turned into heat. All of the IR that escapes does not contribute to the rise in outer glass temperature. The wire that is heated is most likely much hotter than the internal gas and emitting IR at a rate the corresponds to its temperature. Also, the magnitude of the emission depends upon deposits that may influence its emissivity. So, all of the heat conducted away from the hot driven wires finds it way to the outer glass monitor, while only a portion of the IR is registered. This suggests that the calibration would drift depending upon time since the driven wires appear to vary with time.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David Roberson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>David Roberson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1977</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@star, A couple of weeks ago I requested that the MFMP team perform a quick experiment where they shift the input power from the inactive heater to the Celani wire and measure the difference in performance. If memory serves me well, there was about a .3 watt difference in calculated output power between the two sources. The input power was essentially the same, but the output depended upon which wire was driven. The test was on 1/11/2013 when helium was used for calibration. No excess power should have been observed, so the difference between temperatures most likely was due to the difference in IR escape. This should be expected since it is well known that the glass used is not a perfect absorber of IR radiation. That is why I requested the test.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David Roberson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1975</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Chuck: read the first pages here to understand why Constantan (a nickel-copper alloy) was chosen: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CelaniFcunimnalloa.pdf (especially from page 8 onwards)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>123star says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1974</link>
			<description><![CDATA[continued Maybe I missed this part, could you point the exact reference for this, please, thank you! Are you referring to the test that you proposed and that is mentioned in this thread?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>123star</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>123star says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1973</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I disagree on this, or at least, we can't be sure. If you remember Mathieu posted a IR camera picture that showed that tape "concentrates" heat and gets hotter. This proves that anything attached on the glass surface can be heated directly by IR through the glass. If it were only conduction, the piece of tape could not exceed the temperature of the glass. Are you saying that the emissivity of the tape matters? I don't think so. I hope we agree on this. http://www.quantumheat.org/images/IR_0008.jpg http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/174-pre-run-eu-cell-status-review-before-the-run]]></description>
			<dc:creator>123star</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Chuck says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1972</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@David, #23: Is your calculation based on Rossi using a powder of half nickel, half copper? That's essentially what constantan is. I've never understood what role in the process that copper played. Can you enlighten me?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>jfab says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1971</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ryan, thanks for your reply. I admire your dedication and your will to get to the bottom of this! Best wishes.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jfab</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1968</link>
			<description><![CDATA[For some reason, the following sensors on US Cell 1.0 occasionally drop to zero: T_Ambient (°C) T_Mica This affects as a consequence the following columns (as they depend on the above readings): T_Mica Rise (°C) P_Out (W) P_Xs (W)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>jumpjet says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1966</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Not sure what's going on in the two cells, but 1.1 is on the rise again. Closing in on its previous levels; perhaps it shook off the effects of David's test?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jumpjet</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ryan Hunt says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1965</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that analysis Ascoli! I am very open to using a density compensation. Would you be willing to look at the encouraging results between Jan 15 and Jan 22 and compare that to the substantially lower results we are seeing now at very similar conditions?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ryan Hunt</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>jfab says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1963</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi there, just a quick thought: after a lot of impressive work, the MFMP is not giving positive excess heat results. After all you've been through, it's a great proof of the seriousness and honnesty that drives this project. You've not been blinded by the temporary and illusory excess heat that was showing now and then. Has Celani been as much skeptic or "critical" of his own results? My point of view is that your results are much more serious than his own, so it seems weird that you continue to try to replicate his results. Maybe it should be the other way around, maybe Celani should get some perspective on his own work. Maybe it's time to actually test his apparatus in your lab, or move to something else.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jfab</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ascoli65 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1960</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The availability of the molecular density of the gas inside the cells allows to correct the correlation between the output power and the macor (or mica) temperature. On the basis of the calibration cycles performed in the period from January 4 to 9, when hydrogen was inside the cell, an equation has been derived which corrects the effects of the molecular density variation due to the gas leakage from the cell. The linked image shows this correlation and its improving on the unbalance between the estimated output power and the input one. I suggest to use a similar equation in order to improve the estimation of the output power in the ongoing runs. Image: http://imgur.com/85ibN1J]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ascoli65</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1959</link>
			<description><![CDATA[US Cells are not getting new test data anymore. Seems it stopped a few hours ago.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>jumpjet says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1958</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Is it possible David's experiment broke the wires, or otherwise altered their performance?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jumpjet</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Dieter Seeliger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1957</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@ECCO yes, you are right, this could lend to a dilution. BR Dieter]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dieter Seeliger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1956</link>
			<description><![CDATA[For ongoing experiments I think the current blog format is fine. Progress moves on quickly and so do discussion topics, which usually are narrowly focused on what is presented in new blog posts. A single forum thread per replication should be ok. I would expect limited traffic within them, and mostly about topics and questions (or requests) related with the ongoing replication, but unrelated or partially unrelated with blog post discussions. A whole dedicated subforum for each replication would be overkill (given the scope of each project) and risk diluting discussions.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Dieter Seeliger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1955</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Robert Greenyer, I think every experiment should have its own forum category. Every new MFMP experiment report should be openend in a new forum entry below this category. Every comment from the crowd should open a new thread which could then be discussed.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dieter Seeliger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1953</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@All OK, so - off main page (amongst other key links) - links to each experiment blog - Each experiment blog has a permanent link to that experiments log book, data feed and dedicated forum thread That way the blog can advance but the debate can be coordinated. Should each experiments forum thread have sub threads? If so, what kind of things should they be?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>observer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1952</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Frm reading this, it sounds like the "excess" energy being recorded is now 0.0 to negative. Can someone with MFMP confirm this?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Martin says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1951</link>
			<description><![CDATA[In my opinion the communication via these blog comments tends to be chaotic. The forum on the other hand ist kind of inactive. You should focus on one communication channel, which can be clearly structured in specific sections.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Dieter Seeliger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1950</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@MFMP Let me also sugest a improvement in your setup. As it is seen during the last runs, there is a clear interaction of the glass cells between ambient temp and measured data. What, if you place the whole experiment inside some kind of tent or box isolated with some Styropor sheets during the run. This would prevent these interactions like opened doors, people moving around in the lab.... This box could be simple heated to, let me say 2K above room temp with a very small hysteresis. Putting an small fan inside, there will be also no temp gradients inside. Something like this could be useful: http://eastwesthydro.com/grow-tents/growlab-horticultural/growlab-clone-lab-706885]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dieter Seeliger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1950</guid>
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			<title>Dieter Seeliger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1949</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@MFMP I know that you are going to redesign the Homepage, I would suggest to move this log to the forum section. Sometimes there are new comments to older topics which could be of interrest and it is hard to track this. In the forum section this could be checked very simple. I also want to propose a improvement for your experiment log. If you use some kind of form for every log entry, with some basic experiment data for every entry, like Cell#,Pin, Pout,ambient temp... So it would be easier to read the log as it is growing. Also a split of the log for every cell could be considered. BR Dieter]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dieter Seeliger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>David Roberson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1947</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Edwin, I also could not read the message that came up until I used my mouse to highlight the text. Give that a try next time.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David Roberson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Edwin Pell says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1946</link>
			<description><![CDATA[When I try to submit a message without logging in it puts up an error message in white and yellow background. It is impossible to read. When I do log in a submit it puts up a message, I have no idea what it says it is light blue on white (I think) and unreadable. I suggest you use black letters on a white background.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Edwin Pell</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Edwin Pell says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1945</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I am very impressed with the quality of the work you guys are doing. Thank you keep up the great job.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Edwin Pell</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>David Roberson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1941</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I am pursuing a hypothesis to explain why the power output readings vary over time. If you make the assumption that there is no excess power generated to simplify the thought process then there are certain absolutes. It is certain that the input power is well known and entering the wires. This power is then leaving the two wires in three ways. Heat is conducted into the support mechanisms, most appears to be convected into the hydrogen gas and some will be radiated from the hot wire proportional to its emissivity. It is unlikely that all of the IR radiation is captured by the device and measured at the outer glass monitor point, or any other monitor point within the device. For this reason I hypothesize that the relative mix of the heat escape paths is responsible for the drift in calibration. I am currently modeling this effect and seeking a conclusion.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>David Roberson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ron B says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1939</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Is this anomalous heat? 1/25 13:00 -> 1/25 20:00 Cell 1.0 When I look at ambient, power in (red and blue) I don't see a reason for the t-well to increase by 1.5 degrees. The bump up in both resistance readings as well as pressure indicate that the internal heat values are real yet the t-glass out doesn't indicate that it ever occurred. Why would t-glass out not indicate it?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ron B</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1938</link>
			<description><![CDATA[2) Under unknown processes and rare conditions, some gas/substance (which I'll call X) necessary for true LENR excess heat to show gets produced when power is applied to a supposedly LENR-enabled material in H2 atmosphere. Vacuuming the cell removes X. This implies some faith that LENR must be occurring inside the cell. How to test: once the initial deep degassing has been performed and apparent excess power starts to show, don't perform it anymore to avoid removing X. From thereafter, only inject hydrogen when needed. Also, don't let the cell drop below atmospheric pressure to avoid contamination from alien gases. Caveat: contamination, even from materials inside the cell might be inevitable. Also, X might leak from the cell as hydrogen does.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Ecco says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1937</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I'm thinking that the relatively deep unloading process performed before Roberson's test run might have somehow been detrimental to apparent excess power generation. I have two wild hypothesis for this: 1) The wire (and perhaps internal cell parts) got deoxidized, losing its slightly dark coating developed over time when P_xs was higher. This made it a less ideal black body, affecting the way internal thermocouples measure temps. This implies that it wasn't actually developing excess heat. How to test: inject pure oxygen (after carefully vacuuming hydrogen), then test again. If the above is true, there should be plenty of apparent excess heat. Caveat: according to Piantelli, for LENR materials to show excess heat, deep degassing/deoxy dation must be performed first. Bottom line: Maybe the wire is not active or hasn't been degassed enough. Internal temperatures to measure XS power on a clear cell are a bad idea.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ecco</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Robert Greenyer says:</title>
			<link>http://www.quantumheat.org#comment-1936</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Ryan Cell 1.1 looks like it is loading at the moment - but on the turn. Interesting to watch in coming hours. Pressure and ambient temperature maybe having an effect here - let's see.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Robert Greenyer</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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